[Drifter]

Thanks Mel,

I love B.K.s stuff.

Thanks for the memories Love.

Originally Posted by melanie

[Drifter]

“One does not prove the Truth of an idea by demonstrating
that its founder lived. The evidence of its Truth can only
lie in a man’s experience of it when it enters him.”
(Maurice Nicoll)

Originally Posted by Drifter There are no causes in the observable world. The observable world is a world of effects. Our effectiveness reduces itself to our inability to discriminate between the essential and the non-essential. Our means of evaluation themselves have been inherently incapable of performing realistic appraisal. The main obstacle to man's developement, is his lack of knowledge about the nature of consciousness itself. It is apparent that the notion that our actions are based on thoughtful decisions is a grand illusion. The decision making process is a function of consciousness itself; the mind makes choices based on millions of pieces of data, and their correlations and projections, far beyond conscious comprehension, and with enormous rapidity. This is a global function dominated by the energy patterns that the new science of non-linear dynamics terms attractors. Consciousness automatically chooses what it deems best from moment to moment because that ultimately is the only function of which it is capable. The relative weight and merit given to certain data are determined by a predominant attractor pattern operating in the individual or in a collective group of minds. These patterns can be identified, described, and calibrated; and out of that information arises a totally new understanding of human behavior, history, and the destiny of mankind.

[melanie]

''Love is like an hourglass, with the heart filling up as the brain empties”

[Drifter]

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Torus.html

http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/zoo/toptype/torus/

and for the scientifically minded:
http://www.pppl.gov/projects/pages/nstx.html

[Drifter]

A Powerful Idea about teaching ideas.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/228

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by NOBODY Now that we have put on our harder-than-diamond, impenetrable, sword-proof, spatial armor on... Like Einstein we want to know what light quanta are, so that the castles we build aren't for nothing. I'm trying to reduce the complex particles and use simply photons and gravitons, so we can figure out a way to remove their particulate nature. The SLAC experiments are evidence that light can be thought of as the sole factor in the creation of reality - repeatedly producing both matter and antimatter - from the non-lived to the short-lived to the stable according to energy exchanges based on the elusive, and I say illusive, "c." If we put our minds together, we could simplify the model by proposing something like +1 (matter) -1(antimatter) = 0 (photon/graviton) - which don't exist at the zero point, and we have a type of creation-from-nothing in all directions. It is like a universal annihilation event of absolute matter and antimatter resulting in one illusory photon outwardly and one graviton inwardly. The net effect is zero - changeless - but the possibilities leading to probabilities leading to observable reality, based on the opposing abstract absolutely-solid and absolutely vacuous perspectives, are infinite.

This is interesting theorem Nobody.

The paradoxes though would rule things out as the least amount of possibilities seem to point the way to the most likely?

Peace! graham.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY If time stopped, wouldn't all time-dependent instances (existence) cease? Further, can there be such an existence as a time-independent existence?

This is interesting to think of.

Logic would dictate that yes there can be a time independent existence as time is a man made concept calculation and is based on and by the gunman consciousness to perceive.

If this is a ascribable theorem then a tree existence with out consciousness ability to make a clock knows not.

But since it was able to take the form of fiber strands to exist and out existing the human persona from the dawn of time maybe we came from trees? ... maybe the way of a plant is more benefit then a less stationary life form and all we do is for naught but to die for the tree to have the gathering effect of the human condition to fertilize it better?

~Peace! Graham

PS maybe we would be better off hugging a tree once in a while and saying hi great great ... grand parent, miss you!

[neutralino]

Moderator Note: I've moved the offtopic technology talk here so as not to disturb the flow of this thread.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY Think about the following for a moment, Drifter: The Earth is "one" Earth, but cannot exist without it being separated into two poles...monopoles do not and cannot exist. If the Earth were to be expanded infinitely or contracted infinitely, it would always have to have two poles existing separately. Now, if the poles were to merge, join, unify, completely, the result would not be one, but none.

I have a hard time with this as the thought quest would appear to be in total unity merge the whole becomes all all in its inaneness therefor infinite and finite meet as separate form.

there would then be no possibility of completely the conceptions. There can only be the one concept of meeting and that is where awareness comes in either one side of the coin likable awareness or dislike able awareness and where the interactions are by empathy with or empathy at the other.

N meets S, S meets N, N meets N, S meets S then we have the E and the W to consider and in doing this all the partitions in between until it is one big circle, unified and whole.

Or a single dot, a mote in Gods eye, ...

WOW where did that all come from I wonder?

Hmm Peace~Graham

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Drifter http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Torus.html http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/zoo/toptype/torus/ and for the scientifically minded: http://www.pppl.gov/projects/pages/nstx.html

Hi everyone just looking around the site more and letting go with what moves me, hope all these blogs are either interesting or at least food for thought.

nice pics and story line but there is a real fear that i subscribe to that such particle smashing is going to begin a localized black hole for the simpers explanation that we do go far enough to look at the cause rather the effect at times and innovating a way to duplicate it but there must be a cause for a cause for a cause and so on ... the ships in the Bermuda triangle disappeared to many thought causes then found to be the rise of gas that makes the water air that a ship can not float in. Now science creates there own vortex know ing the cause but the cause of the bubbles in the first place ... the collapses of a cavern that released the gas and it did this because the there was a cause as further a cause for the gas to be there .... I think the world is more at risk in some of these experiments then the benefit that might be achieved ....but then I might be wrong in all this?

And Trebec said ``and what is a black hole was the quest ion``

Peace!~ Graham.