[N0B0DY]

If the past and future aren't real, how and why is the present?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

If the past and future aren't real, how and why is the present?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome

Good question Nobody,prehaps the solution lies in the eternal NOW which is actually
another word for "being -present"? Now and present are the same!The "past" is now
forgotton,and the Future is now unlearned!


regards michael.

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Good question Nobody,prehaps the solution lies in the eternal NOW which is actually
another word for "being -present"? Now and present are the same!The "past" is now
forgotton,and the Future is now unlearned!

Would you say that the universe now exists in any given observer's future, Michael?

[melanie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

If the past and future aren't real, how and why is the present?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome

Hi NOBODY,

you ask why is there present, if there is no past or future,

the idea of this now, or present, is neither here or there,

there is only AWARENESS which is timeless and eternal, ABSOLUTE

i have this piece of information from a book by Karl Renz's ''Myth of Enlightenment''
it might explain better why the idea of time is non-existent.
Also NOBODY ..
[THIS] ... is apparent only ... all is ... [ARISING APPEARANCES]
... they are [THE ONE WITHOUT A SECOND]

I personally believe there can be no other truth than this
which is explained here in this following excerpt,

Here is the excerpt: i hope you find it interesting & helpful,



Awareness is the source. The rest is fleeting. In the question "Who am I?" attention is aimed at the questioner.

What aims? What is attention? Awareness aims at awareness; wakefulness aims at wakefulness.
But, whatever happens in this wakefulness is recognised as nothing more than fleeting shadows on a screen.
You see that awareness has always been what it is even when you were a Baby, and nothing has changed since.
It is the most intimate experience. It is the only thing you know. It is without condition. Everything else is conditioned.

Without awareness and that which is aware, (which can never be known), there would be nothing to be aware of.
As awareness, you must always be there first.
It is only afterwards, that situations and circumstances occur.

Awareness is equally complete in deep sleep: even when there's nothing to be aware of,
and you realise that in this awareness your birth happened as well.
In this awareness, your body came, and it will go again. Awareness was prior to this and will be there afterwards.

You realise that awareness is unborn and every idea of birth and death appears within it.
Awareness itself was never born and will never die.
You are the eternally unborn, the immortal, the source itself.

love melanie.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Would you say that the universe now exists in any given observer's future, Michael?

No I would not Nobody,there is no future or past only the eternal now.Of course our limited understanding and depth of perception regarding the Now makes and gives rise to
the "appearance" off flow,when in reality there in NONE!



regards michael.

[N0B0DY]

Ok, so awareness is not the same as time-dependent consciousness, and the eternal one is therefore is not aware of time, but how can there be awareness without time? From what we can classify as awareness, being aware, wouldn't it have to relate to differentials to be aware of?

Also, I don't understand how eternity, which implies a continuation of time forever, links to timelessness when the latter implies no time. If there is no flow - motion - which many link to time, the universe, or omniverse, must then be absolutely still, correct?

Thanks for the insights and help.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Ok, so awareness is not the same as time-dependent consciousness, and the eternal one is therefore is not aware of time, but how can there be awareness without time? From what we can classify as awareness, being aware, wouldn't it have to relate to differentials to be aware of?

Also, I don't understand how eternity, which implies a continuation of time forever, links to timelessness when the latter implies no time. If there is no flow - motion - which many link to time, the universe, or omniverse, must then be absolutely still, correct?

Thanks for the insights and help.

Thats right Nobody!The universe is motionless,we percieve an illusion of movement
as we are each caught up in the relative "mindset"! In truth if you are absolute and
ubiquitous,where the heck could you possibly go that you were not already fully present
in?Now IS ALL and All just IS!


regards michael.

[Drifter]

Suppose for arguments sake eternal/eternity means everlasting.
Awareness [the Universal Omniverse, if you wish] is what time appears on, and therefore is temporal/conceptual.
All "things" are a movement out of or from within that state of being called stillness, no longer being still things, as they have arisen, are of the stillness. As things are an aspect of the stillness, they originated from the stillness.
Things therefore are in this world but not of it.
[please pardon my interjection]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Ok, so awareness is not the same as time-dependent consciousness, and the eternal one is therefore is not aware of time, but how can there be awareness without time? From what we can classify as awareness, being aware, wouldn't it have to relate to differentials to be aware of?

Also, I don't understand how eternity, which implies a continuation of time forever, links to timelessness when the latter implies no time. If there is no flow - motion - which many link to time, the universe, or omniverse, must then be absolutely still, correct?

Thanks for the insights and help.

[Drifter]

The "past" is nothing but memories, temporal conceptualization and nonsubstantial.
The futrue is nothing more than our hopes and expectations, also temporal conceptualizations and nonsustantial.
The present is what is here and now, we cannot deny that we are here and now in this present moment which is gone and a part of the past faster[in milliseconds] then we can be conscious of it, but the awareness of it is always there, and that is what our true essential nature Is.

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

If the past and future aren't real, how and why is the present?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome

[Drifter]

Awareness is primordial; It is the original state, beginningless, endless, uncaused, unsupported, without parts, without change. (it is the is-ness 'I' Is, and "we" Is and "That" Is first)

Consciousness is on contact, a reflection against a surface, a state of duality.

There can be no consciousness without awareness, but there can be awareness without consciousness, as in deep sleep.

Awareness is absolute, consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is always relative to something.

Consciousness is partial and changeful; awareness is total, changeless, calm and silent. And it is the common matrix of every experience.

Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore, the very consciousness of being conscious, is already a movement in awareness. Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is not a new state. It is at once recognized as the original, basic experience, which is life itself, and also love and joy.

In this precious moment
when awareness(Father) knows sensation(Mother)
consciousness is born(Son/sun)