Nothing by Nobody Nowhere (No Where = Now Here)

[Graybeard]

There's no use beating an old horse with a dead camel.

??? Has this ever happened ..... lolol. Are you referring to a race ?

The Arab Horse speeds swiftly ... but the Camel goes by day and night.

cool bananas ... greg

[Meem]

Just because something is everywhere one can look, doesn't mean one will see it. And just because one might see something another doesn't .... doesn't mean one does not have hold of something. How would anything ever be found?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

But if we can focus on this here: "it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another," we can equate the 1 with 0 so as to say that there is no such set as the set of all sets.

All it is is a statement of totality, whether known or unknown... The set of all sets is not an empty set: "it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another."

1 never logically or mathematically equates to 0, except in a few odd cases of undefined limits in calculus and certain algebras... In the real world and Universe of useful entities, 1 never equates to 0__It's a moot point...

The only observations available are that within the limited spectrum of observability, which is a relatively minute part of the infinity (sets and more sets) that we can logically deduce. Neither the absolute one nor the absolute none can exist.

Nobody, you'll have much better luck if you trade deduction for induction and abduction. Enter all possibilities, potentialities and necessities into the ultimate set, and__"it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another."

No matter how far the mind exaggerates the greatest possible multitudes and magnitudes__"it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another." That's the non-empty set of all sets that contains the absolute all... There ain't no more to it...

Russell was wrong. It is not a paradox to state; "The set of all sets, contains the set of itself."__because it is the set of itself__the absolute whole, as long as one isn't using Cantor's false set theory ideas... He just didn't divide the entities of thought down to the absolute infinitesimal fundamentals__thus his mistake...

[Meem]

"The concept of space-time rushing outward in a rapid initial expansion, called the Big Bang, has some problems: Expanding into what exactly? A region already present by definition? But, that’s fine; Totality is there, for this event within."


Why does this event have to have happened? If volumetric spacetime is said to be the physically existing totality, the spacetime wouldn't be able to rush out. Volume within volumes of volume would create an awful lot of pressure.

What? Itself.
A region already present by definition? Yep, itself.
Why does this event have to have happened? Why not?

The way it seems you're thinking about this to me, seems to be the way I think, no, yes but not what you're thinking.
space-time ...... mind-body?

(((BANG)))

I just had an idea, I will call it thought.
Big-bang ..... Big-idea
Why .... why-not

Man, I have a headache. So much pressure, I need a release.

Hiya btw, I'm Meem.

[Nobody Nowhere]

All it is is a statement of totality, whether known or unknown... The set of all sets is not an empty set: "it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another."

1 never logically or mathematically equates to 0, except in a few odd cases of undefined limits in calculus and certain algebras... In the real world and Universe of useful entities, 1 never equates to 0__It's a moot point...



Nobody, you'll have much better luck if you trade deduction for induction and abduction. Enter all possibilities, potentialities and necessities into the ultimate set, and__"it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another."

No matter how far the mind exaggerates the greatest possible multitudes and magnitudes__"it's chocked full of infinitesimal particle-waves, that can flow through one another." That's the non-empty set of all sets that contains the absolute all... There ain't no more to it...

Russell was wrong. It is not a paradox to state; "The set of all sets, contains the set of itself."__because it is the set of itself__the absolute whole, as long as one isn't using Cantor's false set theory ideas... He just didn't divide the entities of thought down to the absolute infinitesimal fundamentals__thus his mistake...

Lloyd, I understand your position, but I said "if we focus" on what you said we can then realize that the one is vacant of all possible motion. Similar to when smacking your hand against water, it stops due to the immense pressure. The pressure is proportional to mass/energy density, so "chocked full" is equal to fully choked - the cessation of all possible motion.

You can't put anything into a room that is absolutely full, just like you can't put anything into a room that isn't there.

[Nobody Nowhere]

What? Itself.
A region already present by definition? Yep, itself.
Why does this event have to have happened? Why not?

The way it seems you're thinking about this to me, seems to be the way I think, no, yes but not what you're thinking.
space-time ...... mind-body?

(((BANG)))

I just had an idea, I will call it thought.
Big-bang ..... Big-idea
Why .... why-not

Man, I have a headache. So much pressure, I need a release.

Hiya btw, I'm Meem.

Hi Meem. Welcome.

I guess then the question is How exactly did it expand into existence when space itself is alleged to have expanded with it?

[Nobody Nowhere]

Just because something is everywhere one can look, doesn't mean one will see it. And just because one might see something another doesn't .... doesn't mean one does not have hold of something. How would anything ever be found?

It's not a denial of reality. I'm holding something right now, but you can't hold everything at the same time. I remain to proclaim that everything, at once, equals zero.

[labelwench]

I guess then the question is How exactly did it expand into existence when space itself is alleged to have expanded with it?

Originally posted by Nobody Nowhere

Perhaps in the same manner that the first cognitive idea registers in our brain and expands into a lifetime of remembered experience and infinite alternatives that can be imagined?

Are we not comprised of that same 'stuff' as everything which we externalize, be it measureable or not?

Later........off to work.........will check back on the morrow.......provided this wing of reality is still accessible.......

[Nobody Nowhere]

??? Has this ever happened ..... lolol. Are you referring to a race ?

The Arab Horse speeds swiftly ... but the Camel goes by day and night.

cool bananas ... greg

Kinda like what Austin said. If you're racing a camel on a horse and the camel keels, there's no need to make your horse go faster by beating him with the camel.

[Meem]

Hi Meem. Welcome.

I guess then the question is How exactly did it expand into existence when space itself is alleged to have expanded with it?

Would you think it would be something like, how does an apple falling on man's head expand his awareness? I would, but you don't have to.

How would you say that you exactly came to this thought? If tried to explain how I came to this thought exactly, I don't think I could do it. I've forgotten a lot since 1977.