[not2too]

Originally Posted by melanie For the Body to appear, there has to be something that illuminates that thing/body. Today i call thIS the mind/consciousness/awareness or LIGHT

The equivalence of and/or relationship between light and consciousness has been discussed in many contexts. Physicist Peter Russell's "from Science to God" (which has been discussed elsewhere on ToeQuest) comes to mind in particular.

The speed of light is one of physics more durable constants. One wonders...what is the "speed of consciousness"...how would it be measured...what would result if one replaced the speed of light with the speed of consciousness in physics equations? What is consciousness squared...what about the square root of consciousness?

One may find a discussion of this here:
http://home.inreach.com/whranch/David/newsqrt.html

Further,
not2too

[MJA]

Dear Melanie,

To find and know the truth is the simple process of removing any doubt.
Enlightenment is not something to acquire or find, but rather simply the removal of untrue thoughts leaving only the clearity of nature's truth that some call light. Enlightenment is not the attainment of truth, but simply the unburdening or cleansing of the mind, that leads to the purity of the soul.
The heart of Love

=
MJA

[melanie]

Originally Posted by MJA Dear Melanie, To find and know the truth is the simple process of removing any doubt. Enlightenment is not something to acquire or find, but rather simply the removal of untrue thoughts leaving only the clearity of nature's truth that some call light. Enlightenment is not the attainment of truth, but simply the unburdening or cleansing of the mind, that leads to the purity of the soul. The heart of Love = MJA

Yes, beautifully explained MJA .. thank-you.

Clarity is already in this ''self evident'' truth .. it is seen.
Nothing to attain. No-one ever becomes enlightened.
The removal of untrue thoughts can be interpreted as an involuted unconscious return to self.

All 'winds' or contributing factors that make appearances appears so. There is no purest state,
all arising states are equally pure, complete and do not remain. The pristine awareness and the 'winds' are inseparable.

melanie.

[not2too]

Originally Posted by not2too The speed of light is one of physics more durable constants. One wonders...what is the "speed of consciousness"...how would it be measured...what would result if one replaced the speed of light with the speed of consciousness in physics equations? What is consciousness squared...what about the square root of consciousness? One may find a discussion of this here: http://home.inreach.com/whranch/David/newsqrt.html

Here is a quote from the above referenced link:

The square root of -1 is a better representation of consciousness than infinity because the square root of -1 has an unsolvable quality while infinity can be visualized as a lot of something.

Reality is based on paradox (life is full of twists and turns). Therefore i (the square root of -1) is an apt representation since i to the third power = -i, and i to the fifth power = i.

The square root of minus one is the geometric mean between opposites:
+1 / i = i / -1; and plus / i = i / minus; and Yang / i = i / Yin. Another way of putting it is that i exemplifies nonduality.

I suggest checking ou the entire article...very interesting in the ToeQuest context.

Further,
not2too

[melanie]

Originally Posted by not2too The equivalence of and/or relationship between light and consciousness has been discussed in many contexts. Physicist Peter Russell's "from Science to God" (which has been discussed elsewhere on ToeQuest) comes to mind in particular. The speed of light is one of physics more durable constants. One wonders...what is the "speed of consciousness"...how would it be measured...what would result if one replaced the speed of light with the speed of consciousness in physics equations? What is consciousness squared...what about the square root of consciousness? One may find a discussion of this here: http://home.inreach.com/whranch/David/newsqrt.html Further, not2too

Nice link and thanks not2too, i'll read it later.

Although i'm not too hot myself,
with mathematical equations or physics and science etc.

My personal intuition tells me consciousness is equal to that of the speed of light. [IT IS A CONTAINED CONSTANT]

Therefore all movement is moving within and of itself.
[INSTANTANEOUS] [ONE WITHOUT A SECOND]
Within the fabric of time and space. Things appear to slow down.
And it is this ... that stops everything happening all at once in relative terms.

All things though are appearing in Consciousness.
Everything BEING a projection of itself.
Every-thing ''out there'' is first and primary ''in here''

Not consciousness appearing in things.

IT CANNOT be measured .. for it is Nowhere and Everywhere.[INSTANTANEOUSLY]
So there is nowhere for anything to go for it is everywhere.
Every-thing is THOUGHT into existence, thoughts turned into things.

It is 'our' thoughts that create our reality. Re-creating out reality.

A very strange phenomena indeed .. and it is grand.

I'm not saying this is how it is .. I'm saying this it how it is for me.
This is how i intuit my reality.

melanie.

[Drifter]

Or a lot of Nothing!? depending on the witness-observer.

Seeds before roots.

Originally Posted by not2too Here is a quote from the above referenced link: The square root of -1 is a better representation of consciousness than infinity because the square root of -1 has an unsolvable quality while infinity can be visualized as a lot of something. Reality is based on paradox (life is full of twists and turns). Therefore i (the square root of -1) is an apt representation since i to the third power = -i, and i to the fifth power = i. The square root of minus one is the geometric mean between opposites: +1 / i = i / -1; and plus / i = i / minus; and Yang / i = i / Yin. Another way of putting it is that i exemplifies nonduality. I suggest checking ou the entire article...very interesting in the ToeQuest context. Further, not2too

[not2too]

Originally Posted by melanie Nice link and thanks not2too, i'll read it later. Although i'm not too hot myself, with mathematical equations or physics and science etc. My personal intuition tells me consciousness is equal to that of the speed of light. [IT IS A CONTAINED CONSTANT] Therefore all movement is moving within and of itself. [INSTANTANEOUS] [ONE WITHOUT A SECOND] Within the fabric of time and space. Things appear to slow down. And it is this ... that stops everything happening all at once in relative terms. All things though are appearing in Consciousness. Everything BEING a projection of itself. Every-thing ''out there'' is first and primary ''in here'' Not consciousness appearing in things. IT CANNOT be measured .. for it is Nowhere and Everywhere.[INSTANTANEOUSLY] So there is nowhere for anything to go for it is everywhere. Every-thing is THOUGHT into existence, thoughts turned into things. It is 'our' thoughts that create our reality. Re-creating out reality. A very strange phenomena indeed .. and it is grand. I'm not saying this is how it is .. I'm saying this it how it is for me. This is how i intuit my reality. melanie.

So SpaceTime appears "within" consciousness...not the other way around...and it is paradoxically "inside" and "outside" at the same "time", which is only a concept which arises within "it"...indeed, a very strange phenomena...

Best,
not2too

[not2too]

Originally Posted by Drifter Or a lot of Nothing!? depending on the witness-observer. Seeds before roots.

Is not Nothing the seed of Something?

Best,
not2too

[Drifter]

Fragments indeed Not2too.

Fragments of a David Carse and of a Leo I was and am very fond of?

Two not 2=0

Kudos Brother/Sister/Self
The Hall of Mirrors

[melanie]

Originally Posted by not2too So SpaceTime appears "within" consciousness...not the other way around...and it is paradoxically "inside" and "outside" at the same "time", which is only a concept which arises within "it"...indeed, a very strange phenomena... Best, not2too

Yes ..... For no-thing ever existed if not for consciousness.

All 'things' appear in me. And paradoxically out of me.

melanie.