absolute rest?

[dleviwing]

Hi Tim;
I appreciate your intent of calling me an authority, but I’m just another seeker like most everyone else; I subscribe to Galileo’s philosophy when it comes to authorities. “The authority of a thousand men cannot overcome the rational thoughts of a single individual.” Authority is simply a synonym for arrogance. (IMO)

It would be nice if everyone would critique their own concepts before presenting them as solutions to the TOE. I find it amazing how often the wheel is re-invented using square concepts that have been attempted in the past. Our current knowledge of science (standard model) is correct; it’s the paradigm we use to evaluate that knowledge that’s obsolete. You and I have realized a fix for that paradigm we call “absolute motion”; that doesn’t mean that it’s the only fix possible but as yet I’ve found none better. I’m still critiquing the concept though!


PoPpAScience;
I would suggest you include “humanbydefaul”, “Fredrick”, “wisp”, and a few others in that list of posters to study. Let me know if I can be of any help.
What are you going to do to get beyond the “GUT” theory to include life for that final TOE?

[analog]

What are you going to do to get beyond the “GUT” theory to include life for that final TOE?

Why did you have to bring up the L word? If it weren't for us (life) being here, our GUT would be a ToE.

Just kidding....You're right Dave. That would seem to be the biggest hurdle we all must face to truly proclaim a ToE. Personally, I've come up with no satisfactory thoughts on the matter; but I'm still trying.

regards,

Tim

p.s. I used "authority" meaning more experienced/knowledgeable, and as it relates to scientific observations and experiments, IMHO you are currently more experienced and knowledgeable than Josh or I due to your background in the field. That's all I was saying.

[PoPpAScience]

Hi Tim;
I appreciate your intent of calling me an authority, but I’m just another seeker like most everyone else; I subscribe to Galileo’s philosophy when it comes to authorities. “The authority of a thousand men cannot overcome the rational thoughts of a single individual.” Authority is simply a synonym for arrogance. (IMO)

It would be nice if everyone would critique their own concepts before presenting them as solutions to the TOE. I find it amazing how often the wheel is re-invented using square concepts that have been attempted in the past. Our current knowledge of science (standard model) is correct; it’s the paradigm we use to evaluate that knowledge that’s obsolete. You and I have realized a fix for that paradigm we call “absolute motion”; that doesn’t mean that it’s the only fix possible but as yet I’ve found none better. I’m still critiquing the concept though!


PoPpAScience;
I would suggest you include “humanbydefaul”, “Fredrick”, “wisp”, and a few others in that list of posters to study. Let me know if I can be of any help.
What are you going to do to get beyond the “GUT” theory to include life for that final TOE?

Hi David;
I said: "For me right now, I am reading all the posts I can of yours, Dave's, Vincent's and Jim's. I am personally trying to combine the efforts of you guys into a theme that could be put forward in a thread, that the five of us and others can react to."

My statement has nothing to do with all the other great theories going on in here. Right now Tim's, Vincent's and Jim's post's interest me due to their dealings with motion. I'm mostly interested in "fictitious forces" right now. This would probably be the name of the thread("fictitious forces"), I was mentioning to Tim.

Just nitpicking but, if you look at my signature you will see the proper Galileo quote. If it is quoted the way you say, please direct me to it on the net, so that I can correct mine, because I have had it in my signature for awhile now.

Here are a couple other Galileo quotes I like:

"I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him."

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."

Galileo Galilei

[PoPpAScience]

Hi David and Tim;

I personally do not see GUT theories as TOE theories. If a final GUT comes about, it would only be included within a TOE. A Theory of Everything must include the makeup of the core substance of this Universe, and not just the forces created by, the "Motion" of the "core substance".

Right now, I see the forces of the GUT, as "fictitious" in nature. I see them strictly as the product of the interaction of the "core substance" and "motion".

Right now, I see "motion" as distinct from "core substance". But the two combined, are "Life". "Life" is; "core substance" in "motion". From the simplest of "Life", as in your TOE theories, or mine, to the extreme complexity of "Life" this present day. They are all "Life"

The only difference in my desire for a TOE, and that of others in here is, that I wish to show that there is a need and ability of the "core substance" to become more then just in "motion". I feel that you can not get complex "Life", with just "core substance" in "motion". There has to be an "inherent" "will" within the "core substance" for it to keep evolving into a more complex form of "Life".


Random bumping will not create complex "Life". But, a "core substance" with the "inherent" "will" to "evolve" does. This "inherent will" set in "motion" will "evolve" into complex "Life".

[dipayankar]

Time is the key to the ToE. It exibits the duality in the sense that it can be quantised sa in Plank's time and can be on a cosmic scale as in light years. Also it defines motion. Hopefully someone takes it off from here

[austintorn@aol.com]

If the "core substance" was so flexible as Jimbo suggests, as in VERY SMALL to be like fluid, then we're either lucky and/or there was some constraint for this quality. Still fun to ponder if "core substance" was of some quantum like conclusion of what would work or be stable enough to be formed as the most probable possible. Hard to get way down there, though, to know, unless it is still happening somewhere locally; otherwise gone, at least from our universe.

[G_burnett]

Hi Tim

The learned professionalism on the thread here scare the bejeezus out of me to try an reply to much here with out more thought and study less the group uses there knowledge in a mind set i may be more then the ignorant student or the ignorant student they have come to be fed up with.

I will be reading your posts and query as needed. Please respond at your convenience and interest to view of the link in Vincent to Harvard tests posted, here now as requested by you the better option agreed to move over as you are very informative in thought. ~regards graham

[analog]

Graham,

Thanks for the kind words. The concepts we speak of here aren't that hard to comprehend. That's the beauty of it all. This concept takes everything down to an absolute/fundamental state. Basically you have; the fundamental substance (ether), its properties of absolute motion, and self-affinity; the states of motion the FS takes on as it distributes that absolute motion throughout the whole (those states being random or uniform, whereby one (random) is destructive to the self-affinity property causing expansion and the other (uniform) is constructive causing condensation); the temperature scale (degrees of freedom) established by those states of motion, along with the ability to form structured matter (autonomous volumes). EM radiation are the waves that ripple throughout the FS as the current state of any volume is communicated throughout the whole and effect all other volumes either with constructive or destructive interferrence, whereby the conservation laws are maintained and allowed to function; nothing created or destroyed, only rearranged as all this gives rise to our observable asymmetrical world along with some perceived/imagined "forces".

Don't be intemidated by what you read here. Once it finds a place within your thoughts, I don't think you'll have any problems making your own interpretations of the system. We're all just ever curious souls here, and enjoy good conversation, of which I'm certain you can contribute.

I'll give further thought to the link you provided on Vincent's Universal Vortical Sigularity thread, and reply further accordingly. I had actually already come across it on the internet a while back.

Feel free to post any further comments or questions you may have.

regards,

Tim

[G_burnett]

The Nature of The Absolute

Let us examine the properties of the void in which the Creator and His universe are located. There are two things that can be said about the void, or the Absolute: It is pure consciousness and at the same time it contains all there is in potential, that is, nonmanifest or intangible form. It is infinite creative energy or a potential or resting nonvibratory state. In order for matter to appear, and later for forms to appear, a vibratory motion as to be introduced into the Absolute.

Vibration means simply the movement of anything between two points of rest or poles, as in a pendulum when it stops and reverses its direction. In other words, whatever vibrates fluctuates between its extreme poles. The movement of a pendulum can be represented by a sine wave. The crests of the sine waves are the points at which the pendulum stops [ point of rest] before swinging back.

As the frequency of a wave increases, its amplitude ( vertical distance between rest) becomes smaller. In other words, the points of rest come closer together. Imagine now a wave of such intense frequency that the points of rest come so closely together they overlap, turning the sine wave into a straight line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~________ The Absolute

In the absolute, opposites merge and are reconciled. At infinite speed it takes no time to get anywhere; one is everywhere at once, omnipotent, in a state of total rest. The paradox is solved.

l
l vibration
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l~~~~~~ manifest creation
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l______________________________________________> The Absolute

~ Professor Itzhak Bentov "A Brief Tour Of Higher Consciousness"

That is totally profound i like you .. graham

[G_burnett]

Graham,



Don't be intemidated by what you read here. Once it finds a place within your thoughts, I don't think you'll have any problems making your own interpretations of the system. We're all just ever curious souls here, and enjoy good conversation, of which I'm certain you can contribute.



Feel free to post any further comments or questions you may have.

regards,

Tim

Thank you for your reply. I have asked by humble request her attendance to discussion to unknown result as of this posting and hope full reply to the positive, I believe she will have some interesting input ... (big Smiles) and i will get back to reading the thread here regards graham