[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by PoPpAScience

The only difference in my desire for a TOE, and that of others in here is, that I wish to show that there is a need and ability of the "core substance" to become more then just in "motion". I feel that you can not get complex "Life", with just "core substance" in "motion". There has to be an "inherent" "will" within the "core substance" for it to keep evolving into a more complex form of "Life".


Random bumping will not create complex "Life". But, a "core substance" with the "inherent" "will" to "evolve" does. This "inherent will" set in "motion" will "evolve" into complex "Life".

Hi pop

I would like to change the motion qualification to change taking place. The dark matter predominant in the state of change to form not form or +1 to -1 state of perception and thus said the energy force behind clumping.

the interesting ponder came from the peanut shape of a proton, quark speed dependent, on that level of small and the larger bio human cellular split after conception ... life?

just to the shout made for peace and excuse my interruption as although one seem to post to individual persona, in open form I find no wrong in reply or response doing so myself. ~regards graham

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Hi Tim;
The question Joshua posed about aging is quite simple to answer; just as linear velocity will slow down a physical clock it will also slow down the rate of chemical reactions and thus the process of aging.

Currently science tends to view the process of cooling as reducing the motion of an object and thus it is viewed as removing the energy from it. Heat is randomized motion and the process of cooling is simply converting random motion to uniform motion; most of this is simply synchronizing the vibrations of the atomic structures to form wave symmetry type uniform motion. In reality though, there is nothing removed from the object by cooling; it has exactly the same amount of energy and motion it had before it was cooled. Those who tend to point out thermodynamics should realize that all thermo processes must be reduced to motion or degree of freedom rather than an abstract scale of temperature.

Hi dleviwing
I wish to understand this more if you would elaborate, radiant heat condensation as you say reducing the motion of an object, would this be the electron shift of orbit or shell condense then or add to the nucleus the event? The restriction from within resonant wave addition/alteration eg directive proton injection? Regards graham

[dipayankar]

Would really like to know how you define the 'core substance' Austin..

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com

If the "core substance" was so flexible as Jimbo suggests, as in VERY SMALL to be like fluid, then we're either lucky and/or there was some constraint for this quality. Still fun to ponder if "core substance" was of some quantum like conclusion of what would work or be stable enough to be formed as the most probable possible. Hard to get way down there, though, to know, unless it is still happening somewhere locally; otherwise gone, at least from our universe.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

I wish to understand this more if you would elaborate, radiant heat condensation as you say reducing the motion of an object, would this be the electron shift of orbit or shell condense then or add to the nucleus the event? The restriction from within resonant wave addition/alteration eg directive proton injection? Regards graham

Hi graham;
I may not have made myself quite clear in this explanation; I am not saying that the total motion of an object changes when it is cooled; I’m saying that the randomness of the vibrations of the atoms become synchronous and thus the random motions are being converted to uniform type motion. This results in the self-affinity bonding of the objects atomic structure to increase and thus causes condensing or cooling of the object. (that’s why a laser can be used to produce a Bose-Einstein condensate) When the wave function of an object is harmonically synchronized with the surrounding environment (Aether or other particles) it reduces the destructive interference within that environment; thus it condenses. Heating an object simply disrupts the harmonics of the wave functions and thus results in destructive interference; this causes expansion of the object. A similar affect occurs if the electron orbitals that form the covalence bonding are out-of-sync within the object; heat also causes this to occur. (that’s why heating a magnet will cancel the magnetism)

When particle physicist talk about energy states of particles, they are mainly referring to the wave function of the particle’s fields. The electron itself appears to be nothing more than an autonomous field that has collapsed to a very short wavelength function; it has a hollow core and thus it is a fundamental base particle. (all negative particles are of this base form and only vary in their wavelength function.)

This is one of the more complex topics that are difficult to discuss on any forum. Let me know if I need to go into more detail.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Hi graham;
I may not have made myself quite clear in this explanation; I am not saying that the total motion of an object changes when it is cooled; I’m saying that the randomness of the vibrations of the atoms become synchronous and thus the random motions are being converted to uniform type motion. This results in the self-affinity bonding of the objects atomic structure to increase and thus causes condensing or cooling of the object. (that’s why a laser can be used to produce a Bose-Einstein condensate) When the wave function of an object is harmonically synchronized with the surrounding environment (Aether or other particles) it reduces the destructive interference within that environment; thus it condenses. Heating an object simply disrupts the harmonics of the wave functions and thus results in destructive interference; this causes expansion of the object. A similar affect occurs if the electron orbitals that form the covalence bonding are out-of-sync within the object; heat also causes this to occur. (that’s why heating a magnet will cancel the magnetism)

When particle physicist talk about energy states of particles, they are mainly referring to the wave function of the particle’s fields. The electron itself appears to be nothing more than an autonomous field that has collapsed to a very short wavelength function; it has a hollow core and thus it is a fundamental base particle. (all negative particles are of this base form and only vary in their wavelength function.)

This is one of the more complex topics that are difficult to discuss on any forum. Let me know if I need to go into more detail.

Ok ... I will think some more on this. The highlighted in bold above done by myself in your quote is one of the more interesting near conclusive TOE statements rule of it all read to date, very interesting but i will get back to you on the rest. Ty for your reply Regards graham

[analog]

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by G_burnett- 6-29-2008, 04:45 PM

yes the head may be getting raised dip in as above we can even slow and suspend particle form protons in super cooled by laser in chamber ... thus said the event is a varied snapshot ... graham peace ty for the post

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by G_burnett- 6-29-2008, 07:07 PM

now that we freeze light in transient motion ... in a sodium chamber i think it was super cooled by lasers ... if we turn the chamber will the light still go out the same direction now pointed or will it remember and go out the way it would have done in the direction still going in? ~ graham peace

PS or ... if this event of freezing the proton stream stops the now end no beginning of transient particle degrade why does it continue unless it be a stopping of time? and does this not indicate one way or the other mass or no mass?

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by analog- 6-30-2008, 01:36 AM

Hello Graham,

Nice thought experiment, but I think you could answer this by asking yourself; How does the rotation of the Earth effect the direction of a propagating wave in the ocean?; as it is the same concept in my honest opinion.

Light is merely EM waves propagating through the ether, which is manifest due to its ability to expand or condense/contract as a whole, or in definable volumes which give rise to structured matter in an apparent unstructured medium of "space". The state of expansion and contraction is a measure of temperature (degrees of freedom), whereby the more condensed/cold a spatial condensate becomes, the linearly slower the EM wave propagates through that volume due to having to travel through a more dense volume (it's propagating through the same amount (absolute linear distance), the amount is just more linearly compacted; thus it's not covering as much relative linear distance per instance of time), which is again related to absolute zero temperature, and the ability of the constructive interference of the laser (coherent EM waves) to cause such condensation, etc. All of this is related to the distribution of absolute motion throughout the entire ether in the form of randomly (unstructured) or uniformly (structured) moving volumes.

Don't let time confuse you. It isn't a mystical entity as some would have us believe, IMHO. Time is a measurement of motion (the tool for such measurement being the clock), and the exact same amount/quantity of motion universally transpires from definable frame to definable frame, whereby obeying/allowing the conservation laws; no matter whether the universal volume of ether as a whole currently contains more uniform motions causing condensation, or random motions causing expansion. The time dilation of Einstein's Relativity is witnessed when these tools (clocks) undergo transfomations of condensation or expansion due to varying their imposed linear acceleration (uniform motion), which causes them to record relative varying measurements/times.

Volumes of ether increase in mass as they increase in uniform motion (linear,angular or vibration), which allows for further condensation.

I hope this helps, but I apologize if I have caused further confusion.

regards,

Tim

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by G_burnett- 6-30-2008, 02:48 AM

Thank you Tim for the post and no it does not add to the confusion. the earth compare was pondered to the result the chamber and content(ocean frozen) being turned to effect considered .. the string frozen wave of energy proton particle in transient motion stopped dead, not just slowed as they did this with a little higher temp, then cooler to a stop.

the high energy lasers, stated in the experiment were all over the place cooling the chamber with multiple hits taking the radiant heat of the sodium reaction by a neutralization of the radiation there in the mix of the chamber, then they put a proton beam light into the super cold inside the chamber first slowing it then cooling it more seeing the light slow down in the chamber to a speed of a normal walk until it stopped

turning the chamber with light frozen would seem to turn the content as contained but by the nature of what a light is protons in string or super string ... mass or no mass ... in transient form having no end of beginning till hitting a wall the proton was stopped by the cold of the containment ... not a wall. the proton if mass manifested was frozen does not mean the quarks were frozen but slowed because the nature of the shell of the proton shrunk to curtail movement of the quark ... stored energy compressed to the shape of a sphere then warmed to the shape development of a twisting peanut elongated in string transient form ... on the way it went a light ... but as a sphere did the quark remember and could they then continue in the direction before freezing the shell ... with the ocean the example in atmosphere shell?

we have to look at the way the lasers are cooling the chamber containment mix to understand this and i am not quite there yet lol OK i just reread the bottom part of your post, i believe i am there with this, the compaction of the mix like the proton is slowed going though glass then speed up again once through because the energy still there as a push in the release from containment.

either way it would seem to indicate mass or no mass by the turn of chamber in frozen state of a containment of the light as the quark composite would freeze if mass and go out the new direction or not freeze and go out the same direction through the containment as entered and given direction before the entry .... that is a bending perception still? Not to the shell but what composite in the shell ...

now i spoke of the time thing above as the transient form having no transient form stopped does this mean the light was a linear visualization till stopped or just a dot where it stopped and if a linear visual to a point of stopping and still a line of dots ... sounds to simple , not a dot then time can be said was stopped? wow this is way out there for me.
By all means jump in again on this or any ~regards graham

ps ahh ok bosum condensation ... back to that above a few days

[analog]

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by G_burnett- 06-30-2008, 03:04 AM

one other footnote to the above last post i made... a balloon in a car moving comes forward on accelleration and back when stopping ... marry this to the event? I know the why that happens and this may be a key to seeing the energy back kick in linear drag?

hmmm my mind is racing, to much tim hortons DOHNUTS! ... graham~peace

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by analog- 06-30-2008, 03:46 AM

Hello again Graham,

Despite what they claim, in my opinion, they haven't acheived making light (EM waves) absolutely stop propagating, because within my interpretations this would only happen at absolute zero, and they haven't yet reached that temperature, nor will they in my honest opinion. They have merely extremely slowed it due to the increased density of the condensate they created, enough so that relative to them it appeared to stop.

The spectrum of motion of the entire fundamental substance (ether) goes from complete uniform motion on one end, which causes absolute condensation due to uniform direction/one degree of freedom/absolute zero temperature/absolute linear velocity/absolute time being external as the FS propagates through the void due to no contrast in internal motion within the ether (all resolutions of ether are moving uniformly in the same direction at the same absolute linear velocity, which is why EM waves cease internally within the ether); to complete random on the other end, which is absolute expansion due to varying direction/increasing degrees of freedom/increasing temperature/increasing loss in linear velocity/increase of allowable instances of relative time due to increase in allowable internal contrast as definable volumes regain uniform motion, giving rise to structured matter (which allows EM waves to propagate internally with linear velocities relative to the condensed state of the volume of ether through which they are moving). All definable internal volumes of ether along with the entire ether are somewhere along the scale created by this spectrum of motion.

I don't mind furthering this conversation if you would like, but I don't want to hi-jack Vincent's thread. Vortices are good fundamental representations of the motions of the ether as it condenses/expands, but I don't want to distract from his hard work and effort with my views.

We can continue at this thread if you like: absolute rest? It's one of my threads and you'll find several posts there pertaining to what we are discussing. Or we could go to any thread of your's if you have any further comments/questions for me.

regards,

Tim

Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

Originally Posted by G_burnett- 06-30-2008, 10:13 AM

Thank you again Tim for posting

I will certainly go to the above threads as getting around this site I have yet to read even a tenth of what is posted. I am giving you the most interesting link from Harvard, the video links in the link state the to a billionth of absolute zero cold reached, base of my posting ponder and a more detailed description from author of the report.

After that I would like to look closer in the conversation at your thread to the laser use in experiment noted to have achieved.

Vincent I do apologize for as said hijacking of thread into these areas to bother. Vincent is profoundly effecting my ponders Jim and I do get carried away posting where his exciting platform leads me.

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2...stoplight.html


Peace~ regards to all Graham

Hello everyone,

I thought I would bring over our conversations from Vincent's thread, being as that's where Graham and I started our recent discussion a few days ago about the light slowing experiment linked to above. We decided to move here to prevent us from hijacking Vincent's thread.

[G_burnett]

Hello viewers

had my coffee and ready to stress my head a bit.

I have thought some more on this looking at the shape of shell to atomic structure. The actions inside the shell give function of electron radiant wave frequency, down the road. The cooling of the nucleus by wave resonance creation in the all by laser condense the form of the all and tweaked further, such cooled further in the lack of wave emit condensed.

The further input of a light wave (laser) is taken in by absorption with a constant force behind it to where the force can not activate the wave of the form au natural warm in the condensed state of the form, the wave slows to a point of non emit of visual light with the force still behind the wave in stasis.

If the forms cooled in MF, suspend state of form in vacuum chamber, thus injected with the wave injection that is stopped by the condensation, then what?

Will the warm of the form where the stop took place, that molecule, emit the wave in direction of initial force even if the form moved is suspended in directional vector by lets say turning the chamber and suspended sodium?

Would the showing perhaps the quark held the event or the electron or both outside the force pushing in the initial injection being ever further a factor once cooled show a split of , instantaneous that and could not be moved in direction as non-effected state to the cooling?

Would this not done be worthy of consideration to the TOE in/of nature of mass or no mass, of this event? The branching in string or super string the ponder being manifest? Or is this way out there?

Food for thought in moh .. peace and ~ regards Graham

In PS the add should be made that further looking at the full experiment having been done the light slowed to the visual of dimming and out. gb

[analog]

Hello Graham,

Glad to see you're still pondering. Just to further "stress your head a bit"; let me mix up two of your thought experiments from above and give you something to ponder, if you haven't already.

Now that we have light at a speed which can contain it within a chamber allowing our relatively slow actions to turn said chamber and watch it effect the direction of light as it slowly propogates through the condensate, as you have pointed out above; what happens if we replace your balloon analogy with the slowed light in the chamber? The chamber is already moving as the Earth rotates, but how would further acceleration effect it? What would happen if the chamber was on a moving train gaining speed? What would the light do, and how would that have effected their ability to initially create the condensate?

regards,

Tim

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by analog

Hello Graham,

Glad to see you're still pondering. Just to further "stress your head a bit"; let me mix up two of your thought experiments from above and give you something to ponder, if you haven't already.

Now that we have light at a speed which can contain it within a chamber allowing our relatively slow actions to turn said chamber and watch it effect the direction of light as it slowly propagates through the condensate, as you have pointed out above; what happens if we replace your balloon analogy with the slowed light in the chamber? The chamber is already moving as the Earth rotates, but how would further acceleration effect it? What would happen if the chamber was on a moving train gaining speed? What would the light do, and how would that have effected their ability to initially create the condensate?

regards,

Tim

Ty Tim, The balloon was not being held by MF but the quark may or may not be suspended either other then in the shell of the (car) inside the balloon not vacuum a factor and would in fact go back ward and forward in response....Reflection rule emit to all possible back and forth on the ray. The direction vector from source, does it change, branch, at reactivation if the (car) form is turned and possibly not the core Balloon content ... would there be a degrade of energy of the vector quantification indicative of a lesser (no force of but contained force behind the wave in the original vector) having effect but because of the no force behind only indicative of by lesser in the emit forward in a new ray. ..
G.