[dleviwing]

Hi Allen;
To complete your vision you simply need to realize that to form the minimum unit of structured matter or field (shell) angular momentum must be present and the unit must have the value of motion equivalent to “Absolute Motion”; anything less simply distributed the substance as spatial Aether randomized vibration and you can’t get any motion greater than Absolute Motion.

Originally when the universe was young the spatial density of the Aether was extremely high and these domains were formed out of the constructive interference of a violently osculating universe. Today we can only find that spatial density level at the core of stars, black holes, and at the very core of the most massive base particles; angular momentum is the uniform motion that initiates the formation of individual units of the fundamental substance and the greater the uniform motion the shorter the wavelength function becomes.

All particles are structures of these fundamental units in some form of assembly; we usually brake this unit down to a point that becomes equal to Planck’s constant and thus we call it the quanta. This is what QED, QFT, and most all quantum mechanics is based on; they only lack the application of the “Absolute Motion” concept to complete their physical interpretations rather than viewing the fundamental substance as different entities of matter and energy or entities from other spatial dimensions. If you stick to a fundamental paradigm you can call particles structures of Quantum Fields or even Quantum Energy levels and you will always be able to explain them in simple terms of quantitative units of motion and substance.

I don’t dismiss Jimbo’s approach; it’s just that I’ve already done most of the wrong things already so I tend not to spend my time reviewing them with others. It is fun however to watch others trek the same pathways though; it tells me I’m not alone in the quagmire of thinking outside the academic box. I also like the company!

[analog]

Originally Posted by dleviwing I don’t dismiss Jimbo’s approach; it’s just that I’ve already done most of the wrong things already so I tend not to spend my time reviewing them with others. It is fun however to watch others trek the same pathways though; it tells me I’m not alone in the quagmire of thinking outside the academic box. I also like the company!

You're far from being alone Dave. If you'll look over your shoulder with a big enough set of binoculars; you'll see me back down the path somewhere, along with some others. That's me waving at you from the side of this mountain you just throwed in my way at post #133. So, I might be climbing for a while, but don't worry; I'll see you in the valley on the other side, and hopefully at the end; wherever this path which we try so hard to trek and understand is taking us.

Originally Posted by dleviwing it tells me I’m not alone in the quagmire of thinking outside the academic box.

I'm intellectually claustrophobic. Some things weren't made to box up.....A mind is one of those things.

Now, if we can just get you to write some ground breaking book that shifts the current paradigm; thus, with my understanding of your concepts (once I get over the mountain), I could go from being a neophyte to a scientist.......alright......alright......that's stretching it a bit; but I would be proud to have been a part of these discussions, and to say I knew you.

So.....where's the movie you hinted to on your toronics thread? You haven't gotten lazy on me again, have you?

BTW: I left some of my mindless ramblings for your discussion on the previous page (#'s 139 & 140), while you were making your last post. I say this because; if you have a ten post per page format, you probably wouldn't see them unless you were to happen to go back.

later,

Tim

[G_burnett]

further brain thaw

The positron coming out of time, this to ponder postulated would be the effect of wave function elastic without acceleration but a random point of end to the velocity originate and spiral vortex return in the drag collapse effect of the electron, hitting the wall in particle smashing.

Like a paddle ball, the string fluid, twisting in spin the function of the wavelength at point e (end) condensing in vortex back to the event. The positron is already therre at the time of the smashing!

Thus said I would refer to the initial ponder of electro and magnetic field theory that allows for reversal of time and taking out of the equations non physical solutions time being irreversible is postulated. This being said above further that the relativity of perspective is to the observer, denotes reversal of time possible and meets both the physical and non-physical solutions instantaneity still a matter of how close <+1 and >-1 to the instantaneity event be met and allows for ~ instantaneity, never a zero point.

Not finished yet on this thread and will get back to the subject in a bit.

I believe in post #136 you said something about not relativity D. Have anything to do with the c calculation of two released not being the sum of there respective c? not to ruin it for the others.

Still eating some Ritz right now and need some fluidity…. ~ regards all,

[dipayankar]

I have a thought that light would not be affected by the added motion of the train.

Originally Posted by analog Hello Graham, Glad to see you're still pondering. Just to further "stress your head a bit"; let me mix up two of your thought experiments from above and give you something to ponder, if you haven't already. Now that we have light at a speed which can contain it within a chamber allowing our relatively slow actions to turn said chamber and watch it effect the direction of light as it slowly propogates through the condensate, as you have pointed out above; what happens if we replace your balloon analogy with the slowed light in the chamber? The chamber is already moving as the Earth rotates, but how would further acceleration effect it? What would happen if the chamber was on a moving train gaining speed? What would the light do, and how would that have effected their ability to initially create the condensate? regards, Tim

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar I have a thought that light would not be affected by the added motion of the train.

Hi dip, all,
the speed of light is a constant, slowed by the example of a a pane of glass but only in the glass with the same energy force behind it so when through the glass the speed is the same as going in, wave function ... in motion of the all expanse does the light appear faster because the universe is expanding at a rate? ...if you were out of the expanding rate the view, yes, to your shining of a light along the path of expansion, combined speed? no, the picture is not there, the wave function throughout the train in the view of a reflect ( the small measurement) is measured by other calculation then the reflect (in the big out there) with out reflect, absolute motion of the whole string ... back and forth in the train goes the wave of energy, despite the independent cars splitting to more mass creation and causing more motion of reflective push pull on the cars by expansion other then to say the split causes the back and forth of the wave ... this concept in my mind leaves open the application of wave function for surfing heh heh and meets the requirements of feasibility manifesting ... IMHO, if the field perpendicular is motion + by other then yes light bends, or by self in stopping abruptly in smashing event, yes but the force snaps back to impact event horizon by the nature of function of the wave ... Hmm there is a mouth full .. Ritz should have wrote in German translated to French or in the modern his work translated to German then to English ... just the thought.

Things bouncing around in my head I can feel them! ~ regards graham

[analog]

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger Originally Posted by analog Hey Dip, Felix and TP I didn't notice this post until now or I would have replied sooner...Sorry Dip. As long ago as this was and as much as you've been on my absolute rest thread lately, you probably know my answer by now, but I will answer anyway for the sake of others who may be interested. Lately, I've adopted most of Dave's views and terminologies due to the similarities of my original views and the problems his framework solved for me, and to better communicate with him, but I may interpret a few aspects differently, so this doesn't necessarily represent his exact views; just mine. Initially the FS (fundamental substance/aether) was at absolute linear velocity which caused it to be at its most condensed state/one degree of freedom/absolute zero, due to absolute uniform motion allowing for the maximum state of self affinity; thus there was no instance of internal relative time within the FS (no internal contrast of motion/EM waves, as all resolutions traveled linearly in unison); time was therefore also at its absolute state as the only reference to motion was external to the void through which the FS traveled. After the event/collision/bang random directional (chaotic) motion (seen as EM waves) has taken over causing expansion of the FS, due to interference of the self affinity property of the FS, whereby as it expands the degrees of freedom/temperature/allowable internal instances for relative time are increasing as a result of the redistribution of absolute motion by which the initial absolute linear velocity has been reduced. This allows for the mechanisms for all of the observable phenomena of our universe (time, temperature, electromagnatism, relativity, gravity etc.) and also allows for the existence of our conservation laws, IMHO. BTW: Welcome to Toequest Timeparticle. I hope you enjoy your stay. Hi ana That may be OK but is it consistent? All of our reality springs from the aether (assuming you accept that concept) and therefore our motion must be relative to it. How then can we say that it has velocity - in relation to what??? regards Felix

Hello Felix,

I moved our conversation here so I wouldn't be disrupting the other thread too much. You'll also find more info here in our previous posts.

I see that you view the aether as the static backdrop through which matter moves, whereby your mechanisms are built within this static backdrop, but I view the entire aether as being in absolute motion, the current state of which causing our reality to spring forth. The backdrop is provided by an absolute infinite void and the aether carries the mechanisms (absolute motion, self-affinity) which manifest all of our observable phenomena with it, everywhere it goes.

The initial state of absolute linear velocity provides the lower limit to which the aether can condense and interact with itself due to its self-affinity property. Our current relative motions (moving autonomous volumes/propagating matter) take place within the back drop/container of a more randomized spatial state; some just call it "space", but it's actually a less dense condensate of aether.

The aether expands and contracts/condenses as absolute motion is destributed throughout definable volumes. This in turn effects the entire aether as EM waves ripple throughout the whole communicating the current state of all volumes throughout, whereby the conservation laws are maintained.

The wavelength, thus also frequency, of the EM waves within a volume of aether are directly proportional to the current state of expansion determined by the current distribution of absolute motion within that volume. Thus the wave length and frequency of EM waves in deep space are proportional to the current state of universal expansion along with the current state of matter (autonomous volumes) within our observable world. This would be infinitely proportional if it weren't for the lower limit established by the initial state of absolute linear velocity which causes absolute condensation and ceases all internal EM wave propagation/relative instances of time/allowable degrees of freedom/relative motion. We view this as absolute zero temperature (one degree of freedom) of the entire aether (universe).

As these spatial volumes change states of absolute motion and expand/contract we view this as a metric expansion/contraction of space and as this changes the wavelengths and frequencies of the EM waves, we see this as redshift (increased wavelength/decreased frequency) in an expanding volume, and blueshift (decreased wavelength/increased frequency) in a contracting/condensing one. The same effect can also be acheived by means of the Doppler effect, whereby the source, or observer, of the EM waves are moving relative to each other. When one accelerates towards the other, a blueshift occurs. When it accelerates away from the other, a redshift occurs.

This brings interesting ideas in my mind of the possibility of the singularity type existence of the initial state of the aether at absolute zero/absolute linear velocity, but rather than being condensed to a type of point particle, I imagine the condensation being only perpendicular to the absolute linear direction of travel (more like a 3D rod), whereby the remaining volumes of aether are trailing behind the leading edge due to a plausible inability for the aether to accelerate more than a singularity type perpendicular volume as acceleration relates to time. I theorize that black holes could possibly be the inverted existence to the initial singularity type state, whereby it represents a universal reacceleration back to the initial absolute zero state. I posted more about this at Dave's Toronic Concepts thread, but I'm still thinking on the implications of these statements.

Here's a very crude animation I made of what I'm referring to. It's better explained at Dave's thread.




I hope you'll stay a while and chat with us.

later,

Tim

[dleviwing]

Hi Tim;
You must have snuck posts #139 and #140 in while I was typing up my post. Sorry I missed it but here’s a response for you.

Shouldn't the absolute velocity of the absolute zero state give us the absolute lower limit to condensation, whereby allowing us the missing absolute platform to build/measure from?

Of course we could; Einstein did it simply by proclaiming “the speed of light as a constant in all frames of reference”, so if you know or can measure the value of Absolute motion that would work too and remove the need for Relativity. What value would you like to use? It must be between 2c and 6x10^11c and also an increment of c.

This would mean the lower limit to condensation was defined by the absolute linear velocity of absolute motion at absolute zero state, whereby no matter how long that state was maintained, it would never become more condensed; thus no proof to how long it had been in that state (infinite).

On the other end of the spectrum (after the initial event/bang/collision), there would possibly be no upper limit to expansion (how much could take place), whereby the current state of expansion would be defined in reference to time (elapsed motion), and would thus be measured in how long the state of randomized motion which caused it had been going on (how much motion transpired). It would actually allow for a finite beginning of that state, whereby we are know able to measure and discuss. One state is defined by constant (infinite/immeasurable) and the other state is defined by change (finite/measurable); but the one state is needed to provide the absolutes by which we measure the other. Does this make sense?

I don’t know about anyone else but YES, it makes sense to me. You don’t need to be able to crunch the numbers to comprehend the concept; crunching the numbers are only good for something like if you fall from a building and want to know if you have a chance of survival or maybe to design an “anti-gravity” aircraft, particle weapons, and maybe cancel the atomic cohesion of the elements without using heat.
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Graham and Dip;
Something you two may wish to think about is that the universe carries the medium with it, the train doesn’t.

[analog]

Originally Posted by Dleviwing Of course we could; Einstein did it simply by proclaiming “the speed of light as a constant in all frames of reference”, so if you know or can measure the value of Absolute motion that would work too and remove the need for Relativity. What value would you like to use? It must be between 2c and 6x10^11c and also an increment of c.

Baby steps, Dave.....Baby steps.....I'm not yet ready to go this far with you, yet. I'm on the verge of information overload (mental meltdown) as we speak.... LOL, and I still have a lot to learn about the math, which I seem to have trouble with. I'm more of a visual three dimensional thinker, but I'm trying to further my knowledge on it.

[G_burnett]

Yes the train analogy to Dip ... just staying with the tube thought .. in the tube ...branching in the hole to no end of destination in space an time if such the perspective ... just interesting the ponder to me ... I suppose my brain has been pondering in moderate music and fine wine tonight looking up to the stars from my balcony ... if the universal expansion started some where where has it got to so far and what is out beyond it ... is there radiation waves, particles of matter moving or not? what was here before the expansion got this far? ... is there another universe expanding into ours? more? are we ever going to get there? ever find out? ... oh i know the collapse concept, I am just feeling a shift that maybe all this is better put to use ... we go so far and know we can not go further sort of thing so why not just be the sage and give it forward ... is this what we are doing here? absolute rest yet absolute motion in the finest of persona ... Dave, its a tough job, heres to you cheers! What are you going to do with it all Tim? or any of you... Prof ...MJB.. where are the students going with it? ... We need a space elevator, get more up to a foothold that seems to deteriorate faster then we can supply .. We need energy out of the box and the hell with the status quo that wants to keep the money going into there pockets ... absolute rest (no insult Tim meant) for the so many with potential means stagnation and rot ... this has to change ... we so much now available in the time frame of a hundred years of life but in ten to fifteen years we will have a majority of people living only twenty years re. AIDS getting air born sooner then not and the rest maybe five percent of those to three hundred years... resources seem to be needed to used now or lose them by default ... intelligence used is to say take your best guess ... time to guess but who is doing the deed? ... right, ethical giving demands the rules be applied and enforced ... who teaches that now to any understanding? Teaching it by one on one interaction .. is this enough, yes it be the answer, there is enough in this one forum to move a world, damn ... CASPAR has some nice rules of release of information by a set standard ... controls and stoppage to misuse the thought there of control I would think be ethical in nature with a few variance by individual holding the key in this thought ... keeping it out of the power mongers idea of standard ... money seems there for all and even the ethical rule being demanded now ... DO IT be my shout but then the wine is good tonight ... I need a walk about, soon. Oh my, ...sorry for the vent all,
~Peace and Regards Graham

[dipayankar]

Graham,

I dont think the expansion of Universe will have any effect on the speed of light. In fact light would be playing 'catch up' with the expansion and at some point in time, if would defeated, hence we would have a static view of the Universe....

Originally Posted by G_burnett Hi dip, all, the speed of light is a constant, slowed by the example of a a pane of glass but only in the glass with the same energy force behind it so when through the glass the speed is the same as going in, wave function ... in motion of the all expanse does the light appear faster because the universe is expanding at a rate? ...if you were out of the expanding rate the view, yes, to your shining of a light along the path of expansion, combined speed? no, the picture is not there, the wave function throughout the train in the view of a reflect ( the small measurement) is measured by other calculation then the reflect (in the big out there) with out reflect, absolute motion of the whole string ... back and forth in the train goes the wave of energy, despite the independent cars splitting to more mass creation and causing more motion of reflective push pull on the cars by expansion other then to say the split causes the back and forth of the wave ... this concept in my mind leaves open the application of wave function for surfing heh heh and meets the requirements of feasibility manifesting ... IMHO, if the field perpendicular is motion + by other then yes light bends, or by self in stopping abruptly in smashing event, yes but the force snaps back to impact event horizon by the nature of function of the wave ... Hmm there is a mouth full .. Ritz should have wrote in German translated to French or in the modern his work translated to German then to English ... just the thought. Things bouncing around in my head I can feel them! ~ regards graham