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Sorry but I was unable to follow what you are trying to say. I think the basic thing to keep in mind is that uniform linear motion produces mass, but “rest mass” is based on atomic structure rather than uniform motion; that tends to make things confusing.

I think you may have state the reason of time dilation of the clock just in the opposite manner; acceleration condenses all matter and thus slows the interaction due to the increased spatial density. Clocks at higher altitudes run faster do to a decrease of spatial density as a result of reduced gravity. It becomes even more complex if you try to interpret it using “energy exchange” theory.

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Sage seems to be attempting to convey “Quantum Chromodynamics” to you in his own interpretation of Feynman’s wave packet exchange interpretation of the “strong nuclear force” as it applies to quark bonding. I do the same thing by explaining the bonding as symmetry waves that only produce constructive interference; this prevents any separation of the quarks within a proton. Like a black hole, a proton is condensed to a level that prevents applying enough force to the quarks in a short enough time to spit the proton. Personally I think it would be easier to convert an electron to a quark than to split the proton; unfortunately they tend to turn into electron neutrinos though.

BTW: Sage also appears to be a first or second year physics student. Do you know him?
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TY for your reply. New words to ponder "Quantum Chromodynamics" hmmm has a certain symmetry to it indeed. Sage is just some old fellow out in the boonies once in a while writing down some things on the walls of converted log cabins mostly found talking to himself by others when he goes to starbucks for coffee. Been around for ages, use to have an island they say would float in the sky once in a while, got a picture of it myself once I will add below. The police stopped him when he was a kid down stateside with a buddy over looking San Jose after he had built this microwave laser using a big crystal and a reflector from an old popular mechanics book and one of them was climbing a power grid to hook some cables up, guess someone figured out at twelve years old they were not utility personal and they figured out later it would not only have destroyed the rock boulder, the quarry it was in but most of the city if they had got the power to it ... i don't believe it myself of course. He went on to design arc distant calculation functions in FORTRAN IV/V for airport locations to be used on the MARK 4 when it first came out in the early seventies and then picked up for the underground station in Ontario to designate silo function to UFO targets, weird fellow.

They don't let him bring his dog in town cause it chases cats to a tree then climbs up after them and the fire trucks have to bother come get the dog down. Saw him once talking to that science fellow from The Nature of Things, whats his name, .. David something, over heard the conversation on a different end of world model he had run parallel to the scientist model and was only off 2 million out of 45 in the 20 year ponder ... The AIDS thing.
His question to the scientist was why he had never done another documentary after the first and if it related to some other forthcoming end of world the scientist might have known of being he too was out here on the coast a practical self contained recluse ... by then there were autograph hounds making a pest out of them selves so with an opening of his arms to the heavens the scientist just said .."it just took off! Exponentially!" the only reason he never did another documentary. Figured later he had that question to ask for twenty years, neat how things fall into place. Nice guy sage oddball gentleman of the old school, mumbles a lot about the humanities, heard his words in the UN were acted on once, you either love em or hate'um ... right now the Government hates him an tells him stop exposing there garbage or get arrested but some hear him still and come up to shake his hand.
Read his ethical research standards paper once, that was A+, held his own on the podium for the whole two hours not just the 15 min end of semester final submit others had and shocked the hell out everyone, real rule of law stuff the prof just let him continue with a couple years back.
He is a poor man with nothing that seems to have everything ... always broke, real observant, wont step on an ant. I think what he was trying to get to was in a universal expansion model the linear particle streams in absolute motion would not collapse but gather by there nature of MF emit for example having linear formation of field and in the gather recreate the condense to expansion again ... just in another location or two? ....did i mention he likes the give a cow program started in WWII? I make sure he has a bottle of wine once in a while. He said if he had a few thousand seed money he would enter that Scottish 20Mil contest and solve the worlds energy problems, guess he could give a lot of cows away with that lol.

I will let him know you would think kindly of him and im sure i will relate to him again sometime in here ~Regards Graham

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That was a good descriptive story, Graham, of the wandering sage who may even know All in some way unable to tell.
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If an observer wishing to measure the speed of light is traveling at the speed of light in the direction of the light he wishes to measure, the speed of light would measure absolute zero or at rest, would it not?
... then so much for the absolute of C.

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Hi Graham;
I was assuming that Sage was your “altar ego”; are you saying he is real? If so, he sounds like a very interesting old fart; someone even I could relate to!

I too have debates with my id once in a while when he disagrees with me.
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hey Dave,

My logic is telling me that it takes the entire aether to reach the initial absolute linear velocity/absolute zero state as linear velocity/direction would be imposed from behind and transfer forward through the formation; rather than starting at the front, whereby no other volume would ever gain on the one that got there first, and the entire aether would be stretched to infinity or reach a limit of stretching and decelerate the leading volume.

I just think there's a lot to learn by questioning how the FS accelerates itself. I think it would give a better mechanical understanding of the bonding property and other interactions as it would then be a part of imposing direction which allows for the initial absolute zero state.

There is a timing/formation of sorts, that I'm pondering, that must be accounted for to get an expandable FS to have all of its volumes linearly condensed and propagating at absolute velocity also, because no volume could ever break the absolute velocity and play catch-up.

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The first thing you need to do is make an assumption as to what is the value of “Absolute Motion”; I’ve found that 2c works well for everything except the original event; this leads me to believe that the universe as a unit has a total motion greater than 2c as defined by Quantum Physics.

Something else you may wish to ponder would be to ask yourself how much time is required to convey absolute motion throughout a volume of the Aether to cause the formation of an autonomous object. That same time increment is critical in understanding the quantum behavior of fundamental matter. That is the maximum time allowed to produce physical change in any system; most such events occur in shorter time increments though; some even appear to be instantanious. This will also help with imagining the physical dimensions and behaviors.

I don’t recall who it was that posted a You-Tube link to Professor Muller’s free lecture but I found he has his own site for all of his lectures. You may find them helpful with your pondering.
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He also has several physics esays on his home site at Berkerly.
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Hi can anyone tell me if there is any proof that ether is actally thin density plasma???
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When you create a vacuum in a supper cooled container, the container should be completely void of anything yet we still are able to measure a quantity of energy in that vacuum. The same is true for deep space. This is commonly called “vacuum energy” but that’s just another name for Aether or ether. Other names for this stuff are quantum foam, acquiescent space, spacetime, and several others. Since Einstein made the comment that “the Aether was not needed” people have interpreted this to say “it does not exist”. All that’s been done is to give it a different name since the Einstein worshipers believe he could not be wrong on anything.
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Thanks Dave. I'll certainly take a look at the links and see where that takes me.

In a world where spatial densities and spatial dimensions change due to relative motions and relative time, where would I start with my assumption of the value of absolute motion?

You have more tools at your disposal than I. I think my subconscious mind must be working with some sort of equations (crunching numbers) and letting me know when somethings not right, as I try to keep the whole framework in my mind while I tweak certain parts of it, and watch how it effects other parts. I refer to it as logic; but unfortunately it won't tell my conscious mind how the hell it's doing it; whereby I could reveal my sources and calculations.
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