Hi Graham; Do you have a link to these Harvard and Princeton studies?
You might keep in mind that this thread is promoting the idea that energy, matter, and anti-matter are all made from a single fundamental substance of the universe. The real question is: "What interactions of this substance’s properties is capable of producing the phenomena of charge and energy (along with all the other forces of nature)?"
If annihilation meant that the particle / anti-particle interaction resulted in the removal of the particles and their substance from the universe, then this would infer an existence of multiple forms of fundamental substance. The interaction however, results in the formation of radiant energy and thus it is just a conversion process of the fundamental substance’s property states of motion and bonding.
BTW: A positron IS the anti-particle of the electron.
Hi my very learned friend and sorry for going off the topic of thread above.
First i do not have eh background to dispute more then one fundamental substance in the universe but the state of that fundamental substance I would contend is varied to such degree. Thus what state do we look at.
Absolute rest state? Thus pondered it has to be within the boundaries of change between interaction of substance, time relative and without the clock ... we can only postulate interaction will happen in motion and bonding energy potential germinating in the universe as ultimate universal state of existence in absolute motion. But then for sake of contention I could be a fool an feel free to say so as you are a learned persona way beyond my own limited study.
Visiting the positron in the smashing event of chamber containment there is what seems to come out of the future in the pigtail the positron. I believe this is the residue wave of the electron collapse back to the source not anti matter such substance defined.
I have the paddle ball picture in my head here in a mind set of example. The paddle stops moving and the electron does not but it is on the elastic molecular attachment ...band?
picturing the spin add to the electron transient wave form ... and it comes back in a pigtail vortical collapse ... why do we not see it going forward from the paddle stop? I can take this I think into the big as well. I do not think the electron is being smashed ... just the center of the atom.
Simply postulated would be that at the relative time of the smashing stop of the paddle event the electron wave is in advance of the paddle ... even to the aether between the molecular center mass clump and the electron shell there is distance in this alone and equal to the distance plus force effect behind the paddle ... this would give the perceptive definition of it being a positron anti particle in activity noted but is not more then in by an image of perception. We do not create energy or destroy it, just change it ... at least in this box of perception example.
Anti form is thus of a different qualification needed ... but then i never said i was in the standard box with this as my study is varied an do not know if this is elsewhere... lol IMHO ~graham
Look at the Quantum Physics model that shows the electron position as a cloud; this indicates that the electrons do not orbit the core but are confined to a spatial volume as if they are trapped within a field (fundamental unit of FS) that is being controlled by a proton/neutron set. (This is where we need a picture so as not to need the thousand words of explanation.) Just stick a bunch of deuterium atoms together with all the protons and neutrons close together but sill keeping their electrons associated with the original deuterium nucleus. The fields form an interface bond controlled by the proton/neutron sets and thus the distance is determined by the harmonic vibrations of these sets.
Hey Dave,
I'm still learning how to make my own images, but I did come across this cool picture of some soap bubbles the other day while surfing around. It resembles how I visualize some of what you've said.
Does it help?
Here's another version I just found. They were at completely different sites, but if you look closely, you can tell that there's a good chance that the other one was taken from this one. They both appear to have exactly the same structure.
I also found this image of the quantum model of a sodium atom.
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Who can honestly say what fundamental constituents actually create the foundation upon which our perception of reality is built, but with much help from Dave (a.k.a. Dleviwing) and his long held interpretations of the mechanics of our universe, this thread has recently been exploring the concept that all interactions, structures, forms and functions of our entire universe can be understood by merely conceiving a physical material fundamental substance (i.e. Aether), and acknowledging its two fundamental properties (i.e. absolute motion and self-affinity), whereby we now have all that’s needed to at least understand and possibly construct the universe in which we now find ourselves, as we all search for answers to the deepest questions life has to offer.
We’ve discussed the attributes and properties of such a framework; now I feel it’s time to discuss the philosophy, whereby though we’ve yet to discover the exact steps needed to build a gravity canceling machine, a living being, or cure cancer, we can still formulate many deep implications about the world in which we live; thus making our distinction between science, and philosophy.
The philosophy of such a physical framework interacting under the parameters established by its properties imply a deterministic absolute scale, even though the foundations of our current sciences are established at emergent resolutions of uncertainty and infinitesimal points of calculation; due to the depth limitations at which we penetrate our world, peeling back layer after layer in our attempts to understand being limited by the instruments, calculations, and imagination which we currently employ in our efforts, and have at our disposal.
At this point, we’ve acknowledged the medium (i.e. fundamental substance) within which this three dimensional algorithm can transpire through the continuity of absolute motion (a.k.a. time), as its malleable nature lends its form to being shaped in accordance to the dictating parameters established and governed by the before mentioned fundamental properties; whereby we perceive these interactions as “energy” distinguishable to us by the scale at which the material substance is moving; whereby our acknowledgement of this is our unification of all previously assumed unrelated forces.
Our current understanding leads us to the probable assumption that our universe is traceable back to a potential symmetrical state, from which our current asymmetrically dense universe was formed. So, let’s imagine we’re at the beginning. We have the substance with all of the conserved potential needed to build our world, and we begin the event/bang/collision/cycle which starts the chain reaction sequence from which all acknowledged existence emerges; as structures and space are differentiated merely by varying densities within volumes and asymmetrical proximities relative to each other. Due to the properties of the substance, the amount of elapsed motion (a.k.a. time) since the start of the cycle determines the resolutions at which the substance is interacting; its initial state was perfect symmetry; thus uniform absolute linear velocity, but as inflation occurs the resolutions at which we define motion, thus also time, become increasingly smaller; whereby solving our mental dilemmas of infinity, and the infinitely proportional nature of size. It isn’t the amount of substance that was always here that’s relevant, as time now determines the moving/interacting resolutions by which its size thus becomes irrelevant. The longer chaos transpires, the smaller the scale at which structures interact and emerge.
Atomic structures, stars, galaxies, and planets all emerge as a result of the cause and effect of a deterministic universal evolution as increasingly complex structures are built/evolved and maintained from the foundations established by the previous structure and state. What more can one malleable absolutely moving physical substance do with itself, other than arrange itself into structures by varying degrees of densities? From the micro scale to the macro scale, the spatial mediums allow for the formation of structures within them and dictate their motions in an effort to become the structure of an ever larger and relatively dense spatial medium. These are the foundations of all resolutions by which we have come to know life, as our acknowledgement of structures and mediums are our acknowledgement of the evolution of a volume of Aether thus also the degree at which uniformity of motion has been reestablished locally relative to comparable arrangements and structures at similar scales and resolutions and nonlocally relative to the current state of inflation throughout the whole.
I am of the opinion that once we acknowledge every concept within our world as a structure or medium with internal motions establishing its path and recognition as a higher resolution structure, then the ToE is complete from the philosophical perspective, as all motions, mediums and structures are explained and established under the same parameters as all others. It’s either moving, or it’s being moved; depending on your relative scale to it.
Life emerges due to the progression of these deterministic interactions; built from the foundation established by planetary arrangements, their environments, etc; thus it too is merely a structure with complex, yet still deterministic, motions. Darwin merely acknowledged evolution at the scale at which he was most familiar; therefore also lending itself more easily to his studies. Little did he know that his interpretations of the evolution of structures could someday be extended to encompass all of existence, with all events, states, forms, and functions traceable back to on such event, with perfect symmetry of action and reaction throughout.
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The presence of life in our universe is no more mysterious than the presence and evolution of the atomic matter we now recognize in terms of protons, neutrons, and electrons; those same evolving volumes that lend themselves to build the increasingly complex structures before us. Thus even abstract concepts of thought, knowledge, and emotion are not implications of a mysterious realm of consciousness, but rather insights to how things move at our resolution, and are therefore also subject to being merely matter in motion. Atoms are the replicated patterns that move within the much larger spatial medium of our galaxies, much the same as thoughts are patterns of motion within our minds; due to experience being seen as interactions which form physical structures within the brain; whereby that encounter resonates within us, often for the entirety of our days; our lifespan being the interval of universal motion at which we were held together; deteriorating at death whereby the local entropy which saw to our higher form of development is returned to the lower form nonlocal environment in which we lived. We’re spikes of increased local entropy, built up only to be torn down; yet moving and changing the hardened medium upon which we now firmly stand; taking the Earth to a level unattainable without us. Whether that’s good or bad relative to the preservation of life is unimportant, it’s all matter in motion, and the outcome was established with the establishment of the properties which govern this entire ordeal, with the only variable of the ensuing mayhem being the magnitude of the initial event, which turned the perfect symmetry of absolute linear acceleration, to internal ordered chaos, after which it’s all been one symmetrically fluid motion of continuous change and causality, us included. If the parameters which initiated all this are adhered to; it will always produce the exact same events, interactions, structures, forms, functions, planets, stars, galaxies, people, nations, wars, marital problems, etc. Thus if a mechanism could be effectively embedded without conflicting with conservation (which is extremely questionable), which would allow for a cycling universe, we would all be a part of a eternally looping picture show of existence.
Even our concepts, such as this, which we write and speak, all travel through a medium to dictate structural motion at some resolution; thus the revelation of a ToE would also be an emergent structural pattern of thought, which lends itself to thoughts of its relevance in future motions, as it’s acknowledgement would resonate within our minds due to the mental structures it formed, establishing foundations for future endeavors, and the mental pattern of motion we recognize as a ToE will merely be a predetermined (since the beginning) analog at such a relatively small scale, which would inevitably emerge at the appropriate universal state, to interact within the confines of our brains; thus it will only be a philosophy due to it currently taking the volume at which the universe now occupies to fully understand the universal algorithm of our existence, and the full amount of transpired motion (i.e. time) to fully compute/calculate it all. We cannot do it within a smaller volume or within less time, due to our submerged internal positon within the whole. We can only acknowledge a philosophical pattern (i.e. analog) by which we identify it; allowing it to be a reverberation, or resonation, of the whole at a smaller scale, we’ll just call it a Theory of Everything.
Here’s an insight to some of the mysteries to quantum mechanics in relation to entanglement and uncertainty. The experiment, the observer, the instruments, the outcomes, the particle under test, and the knowledge we took from it, whereby giving us the impression of uncertainty within a deterministic world, were all nonlocally entangled through the universal algorithm at the absolute scale, which brought them all together at the time of the experiment; merely representing the universal interaction of the coming together of various volumes at different stages of universal evolution to all be the summation to one larger local event in time. We view it as an experiment with independent individual entities; the universe views it as an event of evolution; lessons learned also move matter.
The truth to all this is evident by the confusion brought forth by our minds when we try to fathom a deterministic world, full of seemingly nondeterministic beings with free will. We are not the variables. We are the product, fully entangled within a world manifest through a chain reaction of causality. We are the result of all things before us, and will be the cause of all things hereafter; subject to the things that move us, exactly like the rest of our world. We might call motions at nuclear resolutions strong forces. We might call motions at atomic resolutions electromagnetism. We can call the motions of planets gravity, and factors of motion we might identify as heat and entropy. We can even call the motions of life thought, but as we hold true to, on this thread; it’s all just matter in motion, disguising itself with relative perceptions and volume densities. What more can one absolutely moving substance do with itself?
Just trying to stir some thoughts.
regards to all,
Tim
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Hi Tim .... 2 good posts, and well thought thru. However, the following para, in my opinion shows a mixture of various QM anomalies that have all been put into one basket and then explained by 'the confusion in our minds'.
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Here’s an insight to some of the mysteries to quantum mechanics in relation to entanglement and uncertainty. The experiment, the observer, the instruments, the outcomes, the particle under test, and the knowledge we took from it, whereby giving us the impression of uncertainty within a deterministic world, were all nonlocally entangled through the universal algorithm at the absolute scale, which brought them all together at the time of the experiment; .................
.............The truth to all this is evident by the confusion brought forth by our minds when we try to fathom a deterministic world
Nice try old buddy, but to pick a point at random, what do you mean by non-local entanglement. As you and I have recently sought advice from Dave on this point, do you agree with his explanation
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Hi Tim;
I’m not sure what you’re asking but from my point of view, the speed of light at best is only half the quantity of “Absolute Motion”. Actually I believe it to be quite a bit larger like 6x10^22 times larger; the QM expansion of the universe. Events within a particle can occur at this rate giving the impression of an instantaneous change. The Aether is like the substance of a single particle (a universe particle) and thus it too can produce changes at speeds that would appear to be instantaneous. When ever a high density Aether event occurs it must also produce a low density event and thus these events are entangled at the speed of “Absolute Motion”. That’s as close to instantaneous that you can get.
Bell’s theorem requires magic or a supernatural existence; I don’t accept such things. Science is just working with an inadequate paradigm.
Does this help?
Dave
BTW: you can quote this stuf in the forum if you like.
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Tim;
We don’t have the means to detect events that occur at the quantum level (beyond the Planck limit) nor those that occur faster than light. These are referred to as the hidden variables or other dimensions. You basically have the right view but should realize that everything in science is based on our ability to measure and the limitations of that process.
If a localized volume of Aether increases its spatial density it is interpreted as a virtual particle or polarization phenomena if it produces a pair of virtual photons. The low spatial density is the other entangled virtual particle or opposite polarization. Though it is quite likely that they were produced in an adjoining state, they can separate at a velocity greater than the speed of light and thus appearing as being entangled at a distance. The concepts that state the distance is across the universe are purely conjecture.
The concepts of entanglement are extremely complex when using the standard model paradigm; if you use our approach of “Absolute Motion” they become simplified but hard to relate to current terms of QM. If you can do it, I’ll recommend you for the Nobel prize.
Best regards;
Dave
cool bananas ... greg
PS: have not yet read through all posts in this thread.
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Though it isn't possible, what would we see if we had an absolute position outside of the universal volume of Aether; whereby our measuring stick wasn't relative to the internal interactions going on at all times and scales?
We would be watching the universe evolve as a whole, as it defined time, and the resolutions at which it interacted at.
From this perspective, what would we see if we viewed the experiment mentioned above? We recognize humans as seperate from the whole; due to our senses being in-tune at this resolution, and we have no clear definition of thought.
Therefore, I'm saying that if we recognize all of the above mentioned constituents of the experiment (e.g. observer, particle, instrument, etc.) as all evolved patterns of interacting matter; interacting within their parameters of motion, and we also viewed the abstract concepts (e.g. knowledge, thought, focus, etc.) present within that same larger volume of current interactions not as seperate entities, but rather different types of material interactions going on at different resolutions, that they would all equal a part of the whole; merely interacting as it was intended.
From our current relative perspective within the universe, we see it as an experiment through which the uncertain nature of our universe was revealed; whereby even that concept is a physical pattern of something which goes forth and affects other volumes at other times, but from the outside observer with the absolute measuring stick; he just saw interacting matter in motion at different stages of universal evolution; with no face or name or personality or uncertainty.
I definately agree with Dave's science, as to what the knowledge pattern emerging from that interaction/experiment implied to the observer, which represents the limits to which we are able to calculate the absolute interactions of our world; due to us being emerged within it and subject to the same parameters as the rest of the universe particle; and it is for this reason that I say that only a philosophy (such as this one) could ever truly bring an emergent pattern of deterministic understanding into play within this world of interaction. What is understanding in a material evolving world; if not an deterministically emergent pattern of matter in motion at a smaller scale than the analog which it is representing, as it moves something else?
regards,
Tim
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Hi Tim .... I know you'll take it in the right spirit ... lol
See to your weapons, polish your armour, and inform your allies to prepare for an invasion .... lol
Austin will serve as mine, as he raised some good points ... lol
cool bananas ... greg
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Were the handful of necessary and exact universal constants that were so critical to our success guaranteed to be so precise by your account?
Also, in general, did the nature of the fundamental substance have to be exactly what it was for success?
If not, for either above, there is still a way to account for their exact nature while still keeping all of your description totally intact.
Hey Austin,
The Universe creates it's own interpretation of success. All it needs to do is interact in accordance to its parameters, and by this: success, intelligence, and all other abstract concepts and structures emerge, and are thus defined.
The universe isn't the only way it can be; it's the only way that it has to be; if it were another way which could still produce interactions, we would define other abstract concepts relative to that arrangement.
Think of everything in our world as having to have a physical representation. Forget what our highschool teachers said about the physics as they understood it. Merely imagine a phycisal substance with attributes described within this thread in a conserved state of potential ready to explode. Now hit play and watch the explosion of interactions within your mind. Nothing that doesn't have a physical foundation can thus be present; whereby all of our thoughts, emotions, and understanding represent some type of resolution of physical interaction; and are thus merely fragments of the explosion (as are we), but all of the fragments add up to the whole.
later,
Tim
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