[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by matterdoc

Dear Tim,

Thanks.

Matter in quantum state may be different from 'quantum of matter', postulated in my concept. Quantum of matter is an elementary particle of pure matter. It has definite structure and properties. Quanta of matter, in different dimensional status, fill the entire space. In their 1D and 2D states they form latticework structures (2D energy fields), which provide all-encompassing medium for all apparent interactions between matter particles. In their 3D state, quanta of matter form basic 3D matter particles, the photons. Photons, in turn, forms all other 3D matter particles and macro bodies.

I understand the term ‘entropy’ as the process of gradual increment of disorder in the universe. Development of 3D matter particles and the macro bodies, formed by them, increases disorder in the universe. In order to have a stable universe, it is necessary to reduce entropy and restore order in repeated cycles.

2D energy fields are highly ordered state and they continuously strive to maintain their homogeneity, isotropic nature and serenity. They create 3D matter particles out of any disturbances (disorder) in them. 3D matter particles have a tendency to revert to their constituent quanta of matter so that the quanta of matter may regain their place in the 2D energy field latticework. Natural (cyclic) relationship between 3D matter and the 2D energy fields automatically regulate the total quantity of 3D matter in the universe (on a larger scale) to maintain the entropy of the universe within a margin. For a time the quantity of 3D matter will gradually increase and then for a time the quantity of 3D matter will gradually decrease. This cycle repeats indefinitely. Control of entropy is well cared for in my concept.

May I suggest that, initially, you should check whether my concept addresses more important aspects like; doing away with actions at a distance, defining gravity and its mechanism, unification of forces, mechanism of force and inertia, creation of 3D matter, structure of elementary and fundamental particles, nature of electric charge, etc. rather than worrying about the less important aspects like entropy.

matterdoc

Hi matterdoc

hope this does not seem like a foolish query but what would you consider matter that is not quantifiable using Einstein E=mc2? .. are you not just saying there is difference to mass and weight as this is not new. Quantum of matter on the platform is indeed here the unit indivisible but we have not got there yet have we? Every time we get close there is a transient fluid form not at absolute rest and still at where we can quantify it through a snapshot saying this is its mass if at rest or between +1 and -1 transient form.

When it comes to your understanding of entropy you forget in my reading of your post the state of alignment that will exist between total disorder and clumping by what one can call interaction potential vector-able and I need clarity to your statement.

the cyclic natural state comes auto if they share the same point of creation not automatic, Cartesian rule to adding and subtracting ... and caries into 3d
the two point random auto interaction you speak of needs a new math and one development in this area seen won the Nobel for him as it showed predictability factors of the proton in example and leads further down this road in geometry vectors.

But welcome to the Toe and I hope to hear more of you in this.

Kind Regards ~G.

[analog]

Originally Posted by matterdoc

May I suggest that, initially, you should check whether my concept addresses more important aspects like; doing away with actions at a distance, defining gravity and its mechanism, unification of forces, mechanism of force and inertia, creation of 3D matter, structure of elementary and fundamental particles, nature of electric charge, etc. rather than worrying about the less important aspects like entropy.

Hello matterdoc,

I was mainly being friendly and as I stated, I actually haven't read all the content of the link you provided; thus I assumed it impolite to ask someone to repeat what I figured would obviously be contained within the link, and if not, I figured you would be saving that info for those who buy your book. I see you've recently added a thread which addresses some of your views though, and I'll try to get around to absorbing it soon.

I've also read many unification theories around here which give mechanisms to forces, action at a distance, etc, but mention very little about their views on conservation laws, determinism, universal evolution, the mechanisms of structure, open/closed system, how they keep everything from grinding to a halt while maintaining those previously mentioned mechanisms, etc, and I'm more interested in that aspect of a framework, though I do think a unification theory should be a fluid all encompassing paradigm when presented as a whole with no contradictions, but that's just my opinion, and I'm not a qualified judge.

later,

Tim

[analog]

Originally Posted by futrethink

---analog.

---You will have to forgive me for not reading through the thread, if there has been the same answer put forward already.
---I would have to say, yes.
---Before I take it any further, let me ask you a question, “If the whole existence of reality was absolutely known to measure a certain EXACT size on a certain day, at an EXACT point in time, if you looked at the records of that measurement on two different days (you changed days, not the measured days), would those records and those measurements have changed in any way?”
---Or try this, Take any point in the past and look at what happened then. Look at it, after another day/week/month has passed for you. Anything change from one day to the next? Take any point in the past or any point in space. Has what happened in space/the past, been at absolute rest (even on the quantum level) since that point of space-time has occurred?
---Let me show you something else about that way of looking at it. Presumably, there is a future. Now in that future, someone (Human or, for the fun of it, an alien) is looking at the history of what you are doing right now and what you will do an hour after reading this. Even though your future hasn’t happened yet and is an unknown, it is locked/at rest in space-time to the being in the future.
---Something else, even though it doesn’t fall within the boundaries of your question, is that the reality, which encompasses space and time, is at rest itself. It is, in essence, going nowhere and nowhen.
---While it seems that there is a perception of movement within time and space, there is also an absolute lack of activity or motion of those same concepts, in another objective perception.

Hello futrethink,

This thread wasn't initially intended as a ToE theory thread, and my opening question was actually a way of discussing my views without addressing them directly. With the help of many, it has evolved into addressing my views directly, and furthering them to the point of becoming a ToE theory due to my current views being built from Dave's (dleviwing) previous work, which was already a complete GUT (general unification theory).

Within this paradigm, we've addressed the opening question, and we view time as elapsed motion of a fundamental substance in absolute motion; whereby the past was merely a fluidly moving arrangement of substance never to be perfectly achieved again at all resolutions (i.e. micro to macro scale). Even if we could arrange every resolution to mirror the past arrangement, it would still be a different time which took more elapsed motion to get there, but we can't. Universal evolution is progressing back to an initial state of symmetry; whereby all of our relative degrees of measurable interactions re-converge to their absolute states of existence.

Thus, no rest for the weary. I think Dave hypothesized such a state of absolute rest as it pertained to such a fundamental substance a few posts back, and the implications of such a state, but I don't know that it would be achievable.

later,

Tim

[dipayankar]

Time is not a particle (matter) nor is it energy. It is only a concept. How would you then amalgamate it with the reality of matter and energy?

Originally Posted by G_burnett

Time travel has rules.

You do not come back to a changed time. You change it but it goes on another path my thought. But then there may be a chance one goes ahead and comes back.

Along a path of transient particle form of carrier wave, a surfing effect where there are walls of condense matter that slows you down in places if you want to stop like folding of space like the fluid form of a curtain I saw and lets you part the folded curtain. ... just before you wake or sleep my guess it would have to happen when there are open minds in a relaxed awareness state of being with the ALL .. or just before you die, .. but then as profound and stupid as it may sound the experience is one of a personal nature and is then the possible join to of what happens after you die thread ... maybe, all those possibilities of choices are there IMHO ... why i lean toward this thought is out of pure mental ... i do not know what to call it. ... process of ponder given openly to you all.

Like death we can not seem to put the science to it and may be a similarity of effect because of the lack of proving things beyond the personal level.

It was a real experience for me the other night and relating it to my mentor of these days was told it meant that I was being urged to do things and should both in the mental and physical endeavors I find myself in ... strive to continue as foolish as some things may seem to me to try an make sense of.

the FS is a "spooky" subject yet. Infinite in space ... and, I dare say time, as we would relate to it to quantify the effect over time FS has on the matter of this universe boundless ... I quest more data to get rid of the mystery as it happens and begins to all fit. That is sort of my said forte, taking things one step at a time, ... what I see I am just trying to relate it, find the words paint the picture.... see what others think of my work for work indeed it is lol.

TY for your interest Dip. ~Kind regards Graham.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Time is not a particle (matter) nor is it energy. It is only a concept. How would you then amalgamate it with the reality of matter and energy?

You are quite right dip.

Abe Lincoln wrote in his journal that he had an experience of a dream where there were like white pillars all in a roll to an end where he saw his death.

Shortly after, he was assassinated by Booth.

The repetition of standing wave form emit with energy of a sort being perceived and described as white light or full spectrum of emit is one I get from this reporting of the pillars.

The spooky effect of Einstein formula derivative where one light from the same sources of another light emit is immediately effected if one or the other is effected leaves room to ponder your question. If the light is continual and reflected or added too does the spookiness effect differ? No .. why is this.

If the fundamental substance is a part of everything creating a force upon everything but nothing effecting the FS to Einstein postulation is so more then just a medium then it must meet the rules of existing not only now but in the past and in the future in all possible states. … it is all possible states. We are in one of them there states a part of those possible states of existence. I will not go there in this ponder being postulated.

The mind with its untapped yet 90% or so of un conscious use of that ability to calculate bothered more I have found with the input of what is perceived in the here and now as after thought to the perception goes into a state of relaxed awareness near sleep and meditation at times where the recourses of the mind unused to consciousness’ perception gets perceived.

We calculate the future, we do it all the time in the paradox of after thought to perceptive ability taking place. … Further, up the line, what will be the calculation is not that far of a jump to imagine. IMHO

We then live accordingly to change or face the future calculated.

In what I say is time travel to the past it has rules and I mean that we can calculate from certain event points of persona high importance other universes or other scenarios that could have been the route taken. We do not get to go there from this universe state.

When we do this calculation it is with the spooky effect mentioned above and is a paradox of view going back as the concept put to words would be, and reliving that moment started from again gotten to… That is we are able to do this calculation in reverse as we can to the future using our exist back to point zero where by evolution ergo reproduction we came from …. Non dependent on joining or addition events.

Regression to past lives the example under deep hypnosis trance. We carry from the same source.

Time is function I use to describe an energy wave in FS the medium in varied motion to effect going from point a to point b and we are the clumped mass it represents as a tool to us.

This is in a decay process of the individual perspective slowed down so to speak from some perspective but in others quite fast … The traveled distance due to speed of movement of mass compared to a constant speed that is no longer necessarily a constant point of available reference but could be any constant. State of fundamental substance permitting as it is permeating the all. (I had to mention FS or be off forum lol)

It is the calculated high points in a life by the mind that are easily seen by the clarity of possibility of most likely to happen … some times it will be a red car instead of a white we perceived that would run us over but the effect would have been the same .. the personal choice becomes to look twice having the so called “I have done this before” thought and to me it happen a lot. .. empathy to the word personal used. We live in a time where this happens to too much of a surprise.

By the nature of the rules it follows… it becomes understood … no longer a surprise.

But please do not start another religion by what I ponder. It is a personal view. IMHO ~ Kind regards, G.

[matterdoc]

Originally Posted by analog

Hello matterdoc,

I was mainly being friendly and as I stated, I actually haven't read all the content of the link you provided; thus I assumed it impolite to ask someone to repeat what I figured would obviously be contained within the link, and if not, I figured you would be saving that info for those who buy your book. I see you've recently added a thread which addresses some of your views though, and I'll try to get around to absorbing it soon.

I've also read many unification theories around here which give mechanisms to forces, action at a distance, etc, but mention very little about their views on conservation laws, determinism, universal evolution, the mechanisms of structure, open/closed system, how they keep everything from grinding to a halt while maintaining those previously mentioned mechanisms, etc, and I'm more interested in that aspect of a framework, though I do think a unification theory should be a fluid all encompassing paradigm when presented as a whole with no contradictions, but that's just my opinion, and I'm not a qualified judge.

later,

Tim

Dear Tim,

Thanks. In a discussion forum, one can give only very short summary on a phenomenon. This may often create confusion in the mind of readers, who are not familiar with the subject. This is why I suggested you check the concept in detail before discussing any particular phenomenon. To understand my concept fully, you need to read the book. However, by reading the articles from my website and taking the points given in their introductory paragraphs as granted, you will be able to judge the appropriateness of the concept.

Unlike my concept, most of the unification theories depend on more than one basic particles or phenomena. They also accept many of the present illogical assumptions and imaginary particles, freely into them. The concept, given in 'Hypothesis on MATTER', is based only one type of postulated matter particles, the quanta of matter, with definite structure and properties. All other particles and phenomena are logically developed from these matter particles.

In this post, I shall touch upon one of the points - the conservation laws.
Creation, conservation, deformation or destruction are physical actions. Physical actions can take place only about real matter bodies. Matter is the only real body. Hence, if there is a law on conservation of matter, it is logically addressed in my concept. 3D matter particles discard (or assemble) quanta of matter from (or to) them under various conditions (like: external pressure). Therefore, a law of conservation of matter should take all conditions on or about a matter body into consideration. ‘Work’ is tangible displacement of quanta of matter, in the 2D energy field latticework. Thus, work is a real entity and a 'law of conservation of work' will be correct.

At present, we have many laws of conservations (with respect to energy, momentum, etc.). All of them deal with functional entities. In true sense, they cannot undergo physical actions and their conservation laws are only convenient mathematical manipulations. Wherever, the results do not match, we always include imaginary entities in the solutions. Potential energy, Heat energy, etc. are examples. These need not be so. When the mechanism of 'work' (as given in my concept) is recognized, conservation laws about all imaginary entities will no more be relevant.

An unbiased reader will find that my concept addresses all your requirements for a true unification theory that is a fluid all encompassing paradigm when presented as a whole with no contradictions. Kindly read the book, initially, in sequential order.

With regards,
matterdoc

[matterdoc]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

Hi matterdoc

hope this does not seem like a foolish query but what would you consider matter that is not quantifiable using Einstein E=mc2? .. are you not just saying there is difference to mass and weight as this is not new. Quantum of matter on the platform is indeed here the unit indivisible but we have not got there yet have we? Every time we get close there is a transient fluid form not at absolute rest and still at where we can quantify it through a snapshot saying this is its mass if at rest or between +1 and -1 transient form.

When it comes to your understanding of entropy you forget in my reading of your post the state of alignment that will exist between total disorder and clumping by what one can call interaction potential vector-able and I need clarity to your statement.

the cyclic natural state comes auto if they share the same point of creation not automatic, Cartesian rule to adding and subtracting ... and caries into 3d
the two point random auto interaction you speak of needs a new math and one development in this area seen won the Nobel for him as it showed predictability factors of the proton in example and leads further down this road in geometry vectors.

But welcome to the Toe and I hope to hear more of you in this.

Kind Regards ~G.

Dear ~G,

I regret that I did not understand the references you made. Hence, I shall make only few passing remarks.

Matter is the only real thing in nature. It exists in the form of quanta of matter in different dimensional status.
Mass is the mathematical relation between an external force on a matter body and the body's linear acceleration. It is a functional entity. It has no real existence.
Weight of a smaller macro body is its acceleration due to apparent attraction due to gravity towards a larger macro body, expressed in gravitational units. It is with respect to the rate of change of velocity, which again is a mathematical relation and a functional entity. It has no real existence.
Quanta of matter are smallest matter particles but the quantity of matter in each quantum may differ. Quanta with similar quantity of matter contents form the 2D energy fields, which provide nearest to an absolute static reference.

In my concept, 3D matter particles (cause of disorder) are created and sustained by the 2D energy fields, which have highest form of order. Hence, total disorder is an impossibility, because in that case whole matter in nature would be in the form of 3D matter without the 2D energy fields to create or sustain them in their 3D status. Lack or reduction of 2D energy fields (density) will compel most of the 3D matter to revert to quanta of matter to rebuild the 2D energy field to restore serenity in nature. Similarly, a reduction in the total quantity of 3D matter, in nature, will alter the behaviors of 2D energy fields to encourage creation of more and more 3D matter particles. These cyclic actions automatically keep the entropy of the universe within certain limits.

Regards,
matterdoc.

[dleviwing]

matterdoc;
All those “functional entities”, as you call them, have proper names called “dimensions”. Dimension in physics means “a quantitative measurement”.

Your concepts would be more acceptable if you present them using already established terminology rather than assigning them abstract terms of your own making. You should work on understanding current models so you can reference your concept to current accepted models.

[G_burnett]

Hi Matterdoc,
I look at mass to calculate how much matter is in an object, using the term in ponder of density of matter in the all, in transient form throughout the all when it effect another to quantify the effect wave form not outstanding in frequency concerns.

the clumping of matter tends to clump the potential of the matter in varied effect except upon itself .. or it would not be called potential.

All MF has its creation in electrical current or movement of polar aligned substance in transient form, how much mass to the form or quantified amount in the clumping in transit may be my use of the term mass as proper for this will give the force behind the effect of empathy plane .. passing or smashing sort of effect event ... and in MF quantify the flux potential in the MF... describable in 2d as one force but I do not believe the singularity of thought that all forces applicable to matter or quantified mass of an object of substance are 2d in nature even to increased velocity of an object.

Dimensionally we have the spin of the force to consider, there can be three platforms of view on this expandable to six dimensions and further to varied event pictorial in geometry, .. and using the dimension of time to quantify the events associated with matter regards density or mass quanta .. that is way out there for me yet having thrown my clocks away ago. The dimensional quantification of matter using gravity dimensions ... I have thrown gravity out too as a pull in effect for a push in effect but would like to throw it out to with my watches... this has left me on a platform where about me is a state of aether in a certain density in certain potential due to its mass and alignment and local empathic plasma events between the masses quantifiable in varied dimensions, still. E=mc2 and in these dimensions of quanta bother I am not to sure about the speed of light being a good constant any more lol ...

Why should I look at your book other as then just another thingy, tell me in a nutshell simple in such a way even if it is a thingy it will be of at the least a humorous moment for me pre haps?

the wine is good tonight, thank you s Africa .. kind regards g.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Time is not a particle (matter) nor is it energy. It is only a concept. How would you then amalgamate it with the reality of matter and energy?

Hi dip I wanted to revisit your post.

I agree time is not a particle, matter nor more then a qualification to measure the how long it takes in quanta units of acceptable measurement term the movement through substance from point a, a start to point b, the finish.

Amalgamation is done through in using time as a function of quanta measure in motion. Time passing is the function I was trying to explain where we are in a constant state of mental calculation to what comes next and the quanta measure using time in this dimension may be irrelevant as we can just as easily calculate the future a second ahead such as to catch something thrown at you as we could a year ahead and do so at varied levels of consciousness and being outside of absolute rest. Further evidentially reason of ponder there may not be such state as absolute rest between -1 and +1, zero just a concept. IMHO ~ graham