[mkirkpatrick]

Until we become restful and achieve inner stillness we will never know rest or real peace
of mind,absolute rest kicks in when we realize absolute,when that occurs the question no
longer applies!



regards michael.

[dipayankar]

I respect your opinion R P Bibra... but to me anything that can never be proved can never be accepted.. Religion is one such facet..

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra Dear Dip, you got it wrong. The intent was that the religiosity usually meddles in subjects which don’t remotely concern/relate to them. That’s why religions have become the butt of the elite. Similarly students of physical sciences waste their time in the discussion of spiritual matters, about which they are least equipped. Many among them don’t even know the difference between spiritually and religion! Late Dr. Kalaam, Noble awardees in physics, once observed, on being questioned about the illusory predicaments of those scientists who believed in religions, “ science is outside world while religion is the inner one, so where is the conflict ?” Science forums are not anathema for the former; rather they have a lot to learn from these. Nearer your home lived two saints Maharishi Raman and Arvindo, who had many devotees from foreign countries too (Indian mind-set). They were the real spiritual i.e. realized souls. Now you would ask who the realized souls are. Realized are those who are ‘aware’ of their being ‘divine’. Now don’t ask who are ‘divine’! For all this one has to go through a much disciplined life. For both aspects of life it is very essential to have their basic knowledge, as the aim of these steams is quite contrast. As one is after the knowledge of the creation and the other is in the quest of its fundamentals. Don’t ever underestimate the bona fides of the genuine spiritualists, as they are far ahead of in their field, for they have transcended the boundaries of matter and energy. It is not a figment of imagination, just try and know yourself, as the field (laboratory) of spiritual realization is the human body itself! Be glad & happy. Life is one, why waste in being a master; a learner knows his/her limitations but a master has blocked the very gates of wisdom. Love & regards.ls.

[Drifter]

How would this relate to the swing of the Pendulum reaching it's apex, Professor?

Regards
D.

Originally Posted by N0B0DY The absolute rest would be the absolute reference between a clockwise and counter-clockwise revolution or rotation. When we consider this absolute point, it is fairly easy to realize that massive bodies don't really move anywhere but are incrementally recreated according to mass; and if we say that mass and motion are exactly the same, we can know that the cause for both is the missing link of time which Einstein linked in perhaps a too-complex fashion.

[melanie]

=dipayankar: anything that can never be proved can never be accepted.. Religion is one such facet..

What about water? does it need to be proved it is wet.?
Sometimes you may feel happy, but how can you prove that.?
It's a paradox.
Only nothing can be proved...And Nothing can be proved.


Happiness is the very nature of the Self; happiness and the Self are not different. There is no happiness in any object of the world. We imagine through our ignorance that we derive happiness from objects. When the mind goes out, it experiences misery. In truth, when its desires are fulfilled, it returns to its own place and enjoys the happiness that is the Self. Similarly, in the states of sleep, samadhi and fainting, and when the object desired is obtained or the object disliked is removed, the mind becomes inward-turned, and enjoys pure Self-Happiness. Thus the mind moves without rest alternately going out of the Self and returning to it. Under the tree the shade is pleasant; out in the open the heat is scorching. A person who has been going about in the sun feels cool when he reaches the shade. Someone who keeps on going from the shade into the sun and then back into the shade is a fool. A wise man stays permanently in the shade. Similarly, the mind of the one who knows the truth does not leave Brahman. The mind of the ignorant, on the contrary, revolves in the world, feeling miserable, and for a little time returns to Brahman to experience happiness. In fact, what is called the world is only thought. When the world disappears, i.e. when there is no thought, the mind experiences happiness; and when the world appears, it goes through misery.

Ramana Maharshi

[Profpat]

For there to be absolute rest it would have to be at absolute zero. While in the lab they came close to absolute zero, in space you always have heat in the form of CBR and therefore no rest for the wicked.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Prof,

…but there is rest for the good…

I heard that you often achieve absolute rest on the couch.

[Profpat]

LOL

You're right Austin but when I'm taking my nap my body temperature drops to absolute zero.

Best to you and your good looking wife,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

Prof,

Cynthia says "Thanks."

[Profpat]

You do have a very beautiful wife Austin. What's not to like about churches, they make such a nice setting.

[analog]

Originally Posted by Profpat For there to be absolute rest it would have to be at absolute zero. While in the lab they came close to absolute zero, in space you always have heat in the form of CBR and therefore no rest for the wicked.

Pat,

I like your logic. Perhaps, there is no natural means to create absolute zero due to the nature of temperature equating to spatial degrees of freedom. Due to the dynamics of the system, this would only naturally come close within the center of a hugely massive galactic formation/body. Believe it or not, in my opinion and by the definition of temperature that I hold to, the center of our sun contains the particles with the least amount of spatial freedom, thus its massive size, which implies that it contains the particles closest to absolute zero near its center. Doesn't that seem weird?

However, I don't think it's possible to reach absolute zero naturally, because by the time the formation has gotten massive enough to cause it within, near the center, the whole formation is unstable to the vast amount of motion potential without, in its surroundings. Thus we see the massive potential to effect the rest of the system, as is seen by a star such as our sun.