[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Okay back to the basics.... any idea if a vortex is a 2D or 3D phenomenon?

Graham is correct that the number of dimensions is relative to your perception.

When you look up in the night sky trying to spot Andromeda, the nearest spiral galaxy to Milky Way that can be seen with unaided eyes next to the square of Pegasus, this galactic vortex can be seen as a one dimensional dot.

When you get a powerful telescope and zero into it, with mono vision this galactic vortex is apparently two space dimension without the depth information.

A vortex manifested in the form of a whirlpool or in any viscous mass such as the dual-core galaxy M81 are basically a 3D with asymmetrical cone shape in 3D geometrical space. Put a mirror next to a basic cone shape structure you get a 4D image, with the reflected image of the cone in an opposite phase. Nature does this 4D feat by creating a dual core vortex in a high speed spin, the vortical cone of a basic vortex is differentiated in a high speed oscillation that stabilizes into two asymmetrical basic cone structure as a complimentary pair.



Take a look at the oceanic whirlpool image below, it has dilated harmonic vortices at different angular phases revolving around the main dual-core 4D vortex formed in a precession, by referring to the basic 3D cone shape vortex form as the subject, this is a 5D image of the basic 3D shape simple vortex, or a 4D+1D of a dual core vortex that has differentiated also in physical oscillation. By ignoring the basic cone shape simple vortex, in an absolute manner the complex shape oscillating vortex can be deemed to have a 3D space geometry.



If you can imagine you are being carried on a higher dimension vortex on a same plane as that observed 5D vortex, and by dislodging yourself from this plane in a free suspended standing manner to observe the 5D vortex you get a 6D visual of this 5D vortex in another differentiate level, and on and on these added dimensions can go to any higher order that is proportional to greater complexity.

Therefore how many space geometry dimensions does a vortex has is relative to your perception.

If you are perceiving vortex as 3D spatial vectors, then it has zero dimension on a geometrical reality, these are fictitious force interactions that do not really have any physical form.

Your TV screen is actually a one dimension dot scanning a high speed oscillations that give you a 2D illusion as virtual images, in a hologram it is a 3D illusion as the preceived virtual images.

Conceptually, you can include the time dimension to the 3D spatial vector model to become a 4D physics model, and add more dimensions with other physical properties to conceptual visualize any quantifiable study in these multi-dimension physics models.

Hope this has answered your core seeking question.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Graham is correct that the number of dimensions is relative to your perception. When you look up in the night sky trying to spot Andromeda, the nearest spiral galaxy to Milky Way that can be seen with unaided eyes next to the square of Pegasus, this galactic vortex can be seen as a one dimensional dot. When you get a powerful telescope and zero into it, with mono vision this galactic vortex is apparently two space dimension without the depth information. A vortex manifested in the form of a whirlpool or in any viscous mass such as the dual-core galaxy M81 are basically a 3D with asymmetrical cone shape in 3D geometrical space. Put a mirror next to a basic cone shape structure you get a 4D image, with the reflected image of the cone in an opposite phase. Nature does this 4D feat by creating a dual core vortex in a high speed spin, the vortical cone of a basic vortex is differentiated in a high speed oscillation that stabilizes into two asymmetrical basic cone structure as a complimentary pair. Take a look at the oceanic whirlpool image below, it has dilated harmonic vortices at different angular phases revolving around the main dual-core 4D vortex formed in a precession, by referring to the basic 3D cone shape vortex form as the subject, this is a 5D image of the basic 3D shape simple vortex, or a 4D+1D of a dual core vortex that has differentiated also in physical oscillation. By ignoring the basic cone shape simple vortex, in an absolute manner the complex shape oscillating vortex can be deemed to have a 3D space geometry. If you can imagine you are being carried on a higher dimension vortex on a same plane as that observed 5D vortex, and by dislodging yourself from this plane in a free suspended standing manner to observe the 5D vortex you get a 6D visual of this 5D vortex in another differentiate level, and on and on these added dimensions can go to any higher order that is proportional to greater complexity. Therefore how many space geometry dimensions does a vortex has is relative to your perception. If you are perceiving vortex as 3D spatial vectors, then it has zero dimension on a geometrical reality, these are fictitious force interactions that do not really have any physical form. Your TV screen is actually a one dimension dot scanning a high speed oscillations that give you a 2D illusion as virtual images, in a hologram it is a 3D illusion as the preceived virtual images. Conceptually, you can include the time dimension to the 3D spatial vector model to become a 4D physics model, and add more dimensions with other physical properties to conceptual visualize any quantifiable study in these multi-dimension physics models. Hope this has answered your core seeking question.

ty vincent im just on the side still trying to download/upload but im listenning with all four eyes!

Peace~! Graham

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar I am just wondering, does the electron cloud also move around in a vortex around the nucleus??

Hi
hope i am not intruding to much here.

I have a hard perception of the electron moving around the nucleus in a vortex but the only way i can describe it is in vectoring.

I am going back a step here because it may be relevant. The event of a large nucleus in transient form, that is moving in direction coming up to an electron form of transient direction vertical can punch through the wave by increasing the wave form with polar repel and attraction forces and gives the pigtail spin to the electron reflecting and with decrease in momentum by the electron spin being disabled, as such an axis change would do and it would be my theorem that the event can further result in the collection by the nucleus form ( at times) by mass differential and quark composition, of the electron and that at the event of collection the electron would be in a vortex state/form and as such would indeed be in a spiral cloud, perceived, with varied axis (for a while) until the nucleus settles the orbit or shell of the electron like the crust of the earth perhaps condensing. the polar fields of the nucleus being the supportive boundaries to the strength of the nucleus and this said then yes is the possible answer to your question?

Graham.

[G_burnett]

It may have worked!

these drawings as with any posted, although with only an hours work to them each but of a life of thought, I allow copy without insert to profit or personal gain allowed and can be used in session of study or argument under same copy permission, with as preferred or not citation of origin Combined.

Peace! Graham

[dipayankar]

It did sure.. our dimensional perception is basically how we orient ourselves to the vortex..

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Graham is correct that the number of dimensions is relative to your perception. When you look up in the night sky trying to spot Andromeda, the nearest spiral galaxy to Milky Way that can be seen with unaided eyes next to the square of Pegasus, this galactic vortex can be seen as a one dimensional dot. When you get a powerful telescope and zero into it, with mono vision this galactic vortex is apparently two space dimension without the depth information. A vortex manifested in the form of a whirlpool or in any viscous mass such as the dual-core galaxy M81 are basically a 3D with asymmetrical cone shape in 3D geometrical space. Put a mirror next to a basic cone shape structure you get a 4D image, with the reflected image of the cone in an opposite phase. Nature does this 4D feat by creating a dual core vortex in a high speed spin, the vortical cone of a basic vortex is differentiated in a high speed oscillation that stabilizes into two asymmetrical basic cone structure as a complimentary pair. Take a look at the oceanic whirlpool image below, it has dilated harmonic vortices at different angular phases revolving around the main dual-core 4D vortex formed in a precession, by referring to the basic 3D cone shape vortex form as the subject, this is a 5D image of the basic 3D shape simple vortex, or a 4D+1D of a dual core vortex that has differentiated also in physical oscillation. By ignoring the basic cone shape simple vortex, in an absolute manner the complex shape oscillating vortex can be deemed to have a 3D space geometry. If you can imagine you are being carried on a higher dimension vortex on a same plane as that observed 5D vortex, and by dislodging yourself from this plane in a free suspended standing manner to observe the 5D vortex you get a 6D visual of this 5D vortex in another differentiate level, and on and on these added dimensions can go to any higher order that is proportional to greater complexity. Therefore how many space geometry dimensions does a vortex has is relative to your perception. If you are perceiving vortex as 3D spatial vectors, then it has zero dimension on a geometrical reality, these are fictitious force interactions that do not really have any physical form. Your TV screen is actually a one dimension dot scanning a high speed oscillations that give you a 2D illusion as virtual images, in a hologram it is a 3D illusion as the preceived virtual images. Conceptually, you can include the time dimension to the 3D spatial vector model to become a 4D physics model, and add more dimensions with other physical properties to conceptual visualize any quantifiable study in these multi-dimension physics models. Hope this has answered your core seeking question.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by G_burnett Ok so what starta the vortexa hmm directional transient particle form moving in opposite direction being attracted to the other ... tidal bores ... then there is an event horizon and the particle transient form having direction changes and being fluid begins the vortex event. Is this Doppler effect?

Hi Graham;

Your enquiries on vortex dynamics has brought my attention to the phenomenon of tidal bore. This has led me to conclude that September equinox coupled with solar system alignment would trigger a tidal bore phenomenon on seasonal basis caused by the leading arc in vortex column of a huge clear air vortex. This further support that tidal bore is voritcally caused by a clear air vortex. This has also linked bow echo, tidal bore and tidal waves are all caused by clear air vortex, thus enriching UVS topics on oceanology of Earth science.



Image above is tidal river bore in Qiantang, China on 03/10/1993. The solar system alignment on 30/09/1993 with a full moon when the clear air vortex had formed was aligned Jupiter-Sun-Earth-moon crossed with aligned Mars-Mercury-Earth and also crossed with aligned Earth-Uranus-Neptune during September equinox. Probably also powered by thermal effect of warmer sea, it would have taken some days for the clear air vortex probably formed in East China sea that was moving at 15mph to reach Qiantang.

Have credited you for your posts in this UVS topic for tidal bore, also quoted your remarks in paradoxical effect. Please let me know if there is anything amissed.

Best regards,

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by G_burnett Hi hope i am not intruding to much here. I have a hard perception of the electron moving around the nucleus in a vortex but the only way i can describe it is in vectoring. I am going back a step here because it may be relevant. The event of a large nucleus in transient form, that is moving in direction coming up to an electron form of transient direction vertical can punch through the wave by increasing the wave form with polar repel and attraction forces and gives the pigtail spin to the electron reflecting and with decrease in momentum by the electron spin being disabled, as such an axis change would do and it would be my theorem that the event can further result in the collection by the nucleus form ( at times) by mass differential and quark composition, of the electron and that at the event of collection the electron would be in a vortex state/form and as such would indeed be in a spiral cloud, perceived, with varied axis (for a while) until the nucleus settles the orbit or shell of the electron like the crust of the earth perhaps condensing. the polar fields of the nucleus being the supportive boundaries to the strength of the nucleus and this said then yes is the possible answer to your question? Graham.

Hi again Graham;

This going back a step is absolutely relevant, the undulating vortex formation is caused by fictitious force interactions on viscous mass by a precession effect reacting from the core and can only be fundamentally described in vectoring to correctly understand the vortex mechanism.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by G_burnett It may have worked! these drawings as with any posted, although with only an hours work to them each but of a life of thought, I allow copy without insert to profit or personal gain allowed and can be used in session of study or argument under same copy permission, with as preferred or not citation of origin Combined. Peace! Graham

Hi Graham;

Please elaborate on how it might have worked, and how to make it work.

Concerning the force dynamics that could form the doughnut shape vortical structure for your theory, here is a mechanism for your contemplation, watch a video clip on Torofluxus.



Your diagram is similar to MHD of Earth that has a torus shape structure magnetic field, the UVS topic for it is on magnetosphere.

For unifying,

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Hi Graham; Please elaborate on how it might have worked, and how to make it work. Concerning the force dynamics that could form the dough nut shape vortical structure for your theory, here is a mechanism for your contemplation, watch a video clip on Torofluxus. Your diagram is similar to MHD of Earth that has a torus shape structure magnetic field, the UVS topic for it is on magnetosphere. For unifying,

hi Vincent

the small insert describes two plate fields transient form, of attractive nature to each other and in between the two is a third field being interacted on between the two outer. Thus causing a wave effect to the plate emulating out from the center axis (S) x plane vertical (s) the suspect and vortex spin on those singular vertical axis created and the ridge effect would be the wave form variation showing on the center plate. I am in route right now and will sit down later my friend to see video link and give further explanation

kept it brief re particle form emission projects, E regret prevention lol

will be on later

Peace! `~ Graham

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Hi Graham; Please elaborate on how it might have worked, and how to make it work. Concerning the force dynamics that could form the doughnut shape vortical structure for your theory, here is a mechanism for your contemplation, watch a video clip on Torofluxus. Your diagram is similar to MHD of Earth that has a torus shape structure magnetic field, the UVS topic for it is on magnetosphere. For unifying,

LOL sorry vincent it might have worked in regards to being able to download to site my pics as i am having a rough time doing this reaching limits allowed and i end up with a post and no pics to my embarrassment ...
I am working on a site to send people to with my whole ...
No there is no problem using my pics but then there are some who want to profit beyond the realm of study maybe .. not you my friend or i would not have posted ...

and if one does its here with time stamps so all they have to do is ask or use my name and they can thats all ... more a try to see if anyone else finds it all so ? ??? a feeler post to get some input ...

the links Ive not got to yet .. I like the bore pic ... will look at the rest of it all soon!

Graham