[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Interesting Graham.. the word is here was a reference to the fact that the concept of ether is now rearing its head again

yes the head may be getting raised dip in as above we can even slow and suspend particle form protons in super cooled by laser in chamber ... thus said the event is a varied snapshot ... graham peace ty for the post

[G_burnett]

now that we freeze light in transient motion ... in a sodium chamber i think it was super cooled by lasers ... if we turn the chamber will the light still go out the same direction now pointed or will it remember and go out the way it would have done in the direction still going in? ~ graham peace

PS or ... if this event of freezing the proton stream stops the now end no beginning of transient particle degrade why does it continue unless it be a stopping of time? and does this not indicate one way or the other mass or no mass?

[analog]

Hello Graham,

Originally Posted by G_burnett

now that we freeze light in transient motion ... in a sodium chamber i think it was super cooled by lasers ... if we turn the chamber will the light still go out the same direction now pointed or will it remember and go out the way it would have done in the direction still going in? ~ graham peace

Nice thought experiment, but I think you could answer this by asking yourself; How does the rotation of the Earth effect the direction of a propagating wave in the ocean?; as it is the same concept in my honest opinion.

Light is merely EM waves propagating through the ether, which is manifest due to its ability to expand or condense/contract as a whole, or in definable volumes which give rise to structured matter in an apparent unstructured medium of "space". The state of expansion and contraction is a measure of temperature (degrees of freedom), whereby the more condensed/cold a spatial condensate becomes, the linearly slower the EM wave propagates through that volume due to having to travel through a more dense volume (it's propagating through the same amount (absolute linear distance), the amount is just more linearly compacted; thus it's not covering as much relative linear distance per instance of time), which is again related to absolute zero temperature, and the ability of the constructive interference of the laser (coherent EM waves) to cause such condensation, etc. All of this is related to the distribution of absolute motion throughout the entire ether in the form of randomly (unstructured) or uniformly (structured) moving volumes.

Originally Posted by G_burnett

PS or ... if this event of freezing the proton stream stops the now end no beginning of transient particle degrade why does it continue unless it be a stopping of time? and does this not indicate one way or the other mass or no mass?

Don't let time confuse you. It isn't a mystical entity as some would have us believe, IMHO. Time is a measurement of motion (the tool for such measurement being the clock), and the exact same amount/quantity of motion universally transpires from definable frame to definable frame, whereby obeying/allowing the conservation laws; no matter whether the universal volume of ether as a whole currently contains more uniform motions causing condensation, or random motions causing expansion. The time dilation of Einstein's Relativity is witnessed when these tools (clocks) undergo transfomations of condensation or expansion due to varying their imposed linear acceleration (uniform motion), which causes them to record relative varying measurements/times.

Volumes of ether increase in mass as they increase in uniform motion (linear,angular or vibration), which allows for further condensation.

I hope this helps, but I apologize if I have caused further confusion.

regards,

Tim

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by analog

Hello Graham,



Nice thought experiment, but I think you could answer this by asking yourself; How does the rotation of the Earth effect the direction of waves in the ocean?; as it is the same concept in my honest opinion.

Light is merely EM waves propagating through the ether, which is manifest due to its ability to expand or condense/contract as a whole, or in definable volumes which give rise to structured matter in an apparent unstructured medium of "space". The state of expansion and contraction is a measure of temperature (degrees of freedom), whereby the more condensed/cold a spatial condensate becomes, the linearly slower the EM wave propagates through that volume due to having to travel through a more dense volume (it's propagating through the same amount (absolute linear distance), the amount is just more linearly compacted; thus it's not covering as much relative linear distance per instance of time), which is again related to absolute zero temperature, and the ability of the constructive interference of the laser (coherent EM waves) to cause such condensation, etc. All of this is related to the distribution of absolute motion throughout the entire ether in the form of randomly (unstructured) or uniformly (structured) moving volumes.



Don't let time confuse you. It isn't a mystical entity as some would have us believe, IMHO. Time is a measurement of motion (the tool for such measurement being the clock), and the exact same amount/quantity of motion universally transpires from definable frame to definable frame; no matter whether the universal volume of ether as a whole currently contains more uniform motions causing condensation, or random motions causing expansion. Einstein's Relativity is witnessed when these tools (clocks) undergo transfomations of condensation or expansion due to varying their imposed linear velocity (uniform motion).

Volumes of ether increase in mass as they increase in uniform motion (linear,angular or vibration), which allows for further condensation.

I hope this helps, but I appologize if I have caused further confusion.

regards,

Tim

Thank you Tim for the post and no it does not add to the confusion. the earth compare was pondered to the result the chamber and content(ocean frozen) being turned to effect considered .. the string frozen wave of energy proton particle in transient motion stopped dead, not just slowed as they did this with a little higher temp, then cooler to a stop.

the high energy lasers, stated in the experiment were all over the place cooling the chamber with multiple hits taking the radiant heat of the sodium reaction by a neutralization of the radiation there in the mix of the chamber, then they put a proton beam light into the super cold inside the chamber first slowing it then cooling it more seeing the light slow down in the chamber to a speed of a normal walk until it stopped

turning the chamber with light frozen would seem to turn the content as contained but by the nature of what a light is protons in string or super string ... mass or no mass ... in transient form having no end of beginning till hitting a wall the proton was stopped by the cold of the containment ... not a wall. the proton if mass manifested was frozen does not mean the quarks were frozen but slowed because the nature of the shell of the proton shrunk to curtail movement of the quark ... stored energy compressed to the shape of a sphere then warmed to the shape development of a twisting peanut elongated in string transient form ... on the way it went a light ... but as a sphere did the quark remember and could they then continue in the direction before freezing the shell ... with the ocean the example in atmosphere shell?

we have to look at the way the lasers are cooling the chamber containment mix to understand this and i am not quite there yet lol OK i just reread the bottom part of your post, i believe i am there with this, the compaction of the mix like the proton is slowed going though glass then speed up again once through because the energy still there as a push in the release from containment.

either way it would seem to indicate mass or no mass by the turn of chamber in frozen state of a containment of the light as the quark composite would freeze if mass and go out the new direction or not freeze and go out the same direction through the containment as entered and given direction before the entry .... that is a bending perception still? Not to the shell but what composite in the shell ...

now i spoke of the time thing above as the transient form having no transient form stopped does this mean the light was a linear visualization till stopped or just a dot where it stopped and if a linear visual to a point of stopping and still a line of dots ... sounds to simple , not a dot then time can be said was stopped? wow this is way out there for me.
By all means jump in again on this or any ~regards graham

ps ahh ok bosum condensation ... back to that above a few days

[G_burnett]

one other footnote to the above last post i made... a balloon in a car moving comes forward on accelleration and back when stopping ... marry this to the event? I know the why that happens and this may be a key to seeing the energy back kick in linear drag?

hmmm my mind is racing, to much tim hortons DOHNUTS! ... graham~peace

[analog]

Hello again Graham,

Despite what they claim, in my opinion, they haven't acheived making light (EM waves) absolutely stop propagating, because within my interpretations this would only happen at absolute zero, and they haven't yet reached that temperature, nor will they in my honest opinion. They have merely extremely slowed it due to the increased density of the condensate they created, enough so that relative to them it appeared to stop.

The spectrum of motion of the entire fundamental substance (ether) goes from complete uniform motion on one end, which causes absolute condensation due to uniform direction/one degree of freedom/absolute zero temperature/absolute linear velocity/absolute time being external as the FS propagates through the void due to no contrast in internal motion within the ether (all resolutions of ether are moving uniformly in the same direction at the same absolute linear velocity, which is why EM waves cease internally within the ether); to complete random on the other end, which is absolute expansion due to varying direction/increasing degrees of freedom/increasing temperature/increasing loss in linear velocity/increase of allowable instances of relative time due to increase in allowable internal contrast as definable volumes regain uniform motion, giving rise to structured matter (which allows EM waves to propagate internally with linear velocities relative to the condensed state of the volume of ether through which they are moving). All definable internal volumes of ether along with the entire ether are somewhere along the scale created by this spectrum of motion.

I don't mind furthering this conversation if you would like, but I don't want to hi-jack Vincent's thread. Vortices are good fundamental representations of the motions of the ether as it condenses/expands, but I don't want to distract from his hard work and effort with my views.

We can continue at this thread if you like: absolute rest? It's one of my threads and you'll find several posts there pertaining to what we are discussing. Or we could go to any thread of your's if you have any further comments/questions for me.

regards,

Tim

[dipayankar]

Where does the energy come from? It should be generated somewhere right? What is the source?

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com

Maybe ether is just a low density energy that the higher wound density energy comes from and goes back to if it dissipates or spreads out or sheds.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by analog

Hello again Graham,

Despite what they claim, in my opinion, they haven't achieved making light (EM waves) absolutely stop propagating, because within my interpretations this would only happen at absolute zero, and they haven't yet reached that temperature, nor will they in my honest opinion. They have merely extremely slowed it due to the increased density of the condensate they created, enough so that relative to them it appeared to stop.

The spectrum of motion of the entire fundamental substance (ether) goes from complete uniform motion on one end, which causes absolute condensation due to uniform direction/one degree of freedom/absolute zero temperature/absolute linear velocity/absolute time being external as the FS propagates through the void due to no contrast in internal motion within the ether (all resolutions of ether are moving uniformly in the same direction at the same absolute linear velocity, which is why EM waves cease internally within the ether); to complete random on the other end, which is absolute expansion due to varying direction/increasing degrees of freedom/increasing temperature/increasing loss in linear velocity/increase of allowable instances of relative time due to increase in allowable internal contrast as definable volumes regain uniform motion, giving rise to structured matter (which allows EM waves to propagate internally with linear velocities relative to the condensed state of the volume of ether through which they are moving). All definable internal volumes of ether along with the entire ether are somewhere along the scale created by this spectrum of motion.

I don't mind furthering this conversation if you would like, but I don't want to hi-jack Vincent's thread. Vortices are good fundamental representations of the motions of the ether as it condenses/expands, but I don't want to distract from his hard work and effort with my views.

We can continue at this thread if you like: absolute rest? It's one of my threads and you'll find several posts there pertaining to what we are discussing. Or we could go to any thread of your's if you have any further comments/questions for me.

regards,

Tim

Thank you again Tim for posting

I will certainly go to the above threads as getting around this site I have yet to read even a tenth of what is posted. I am giving you the most interesting link from Harvard, the video links in the link state the to a billionth of absolute zero cold reached, base of my posting ponder and a more detailed description from author of the report.

After that I would like to look closer in the conversation at your thread to the laser use in experiment noted to have achieved.

Vincent I do apologize for as said hijacking of thread into these areas to bother. Vincent is profoundly effecting my ponders Jim and I do get carried away posting where his exciting platform leads me.

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2...stoplight.html


Peace~ regards to all Graham

[xxyy]

Vincent We-Foo,

The weather symbol for the vortex derives from the symbol of two circles interlocking. This is the same symbol from the "Kool" cigarette logo and "double tree" hotels.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Where does the energy come from? It should be generated somewhere right? What is the source?

I would think dip in the very basic of science postulated that we can only change energy not create or destroy energy that the generation of energy is not here the ponder. Source is in the all, the ever changing from plus one to negative one instantaneous whole composition of the universe in varied density, frequency ... degree of and in change to varied degree and form .... life! and of course vortex creation for in forum example ... but i am still reading on that ... ~Peace regards Graham