[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by Profpat Thank you for your response Vincent and your clarification as to singularity. Your theory seems to be well thought out. I wonder if it's possible if strings are tiny vortices? Best to you, Pat P.S. I am still absorbing your reponse and home page.

Hi Pat, you flattered me, there are still lots of loose ends.

If it's possible if strings are tiny vortices? Please tell me about it.

regards, vincent.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Michael, can you please elaborate more on the sentence, and what is "the spinnors of form the vortex". I am with all ears. regards vincent

Energy is woven into cohesive stabilty (matter)by the master weaver your friend and mine the vortex!The vortex transforms and translates within an almost infinite range
of vibrations,allways conducting energy in an absolute economical way.

I see two primal vortexes that of Ying and Yang,these are the basic and fundamental
spinnors and weavers of energy into matter,its abilty to maintain integrity and cohesive
stabilty is also down to sub-atomic vortices which "hold" the "form" in place.

We are within an ocean of energy vortices,one within another within another add infinitum.Our own physical bodies and force centres (charkras)are all "held" in place
and maintain intergrity by the motioning actions of many vortices acting in unision with
each other.

warmest regards michael.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Hi Pat, you flattered me, there are still lots of loose ends. If it's possible if strings are tiny vortices? Please tell me about it. regards, vincent.

Hi Vincent;

There are a lot of loose ends with strings also. It is the starting point of my Idea, which is located at:
( http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...03-idea-4.html ). ( You'll need to go down 8 posts to #40 )

BTW your link ( circular logic, on this I have my views and it is posted on this html page:
http://http://www.singularvortex.com...#chicken_n_egg )
didn't work for me.

Very Best,

Pat

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by Profpat BTW your link ( circular logic, on this I have my views and it is posted on this html page: http://http://www.singularvortex.com...#chicken_n_egg ) didn't work for me.

I think the correct link is: http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20...#chicken_n_egg

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by neutralino I think the correct link is: http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20...#chicken_n_egg

Thanks neutralino for correcting the link. Have to apologize for being a rookie here, I tried to make correction but however it does not allow me to, its probably something I have missed somewhere when clicking the mouse but I did tried.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Energy is woven into cohesive stabilty (matter)by the master weaver your friend and mine the vortex!The vortex transforms and translates within an almost infinite range of vibrations,allways conducting energy in an absolute economical way. I see two primal vortexes that of Ying and Yang,these are the basic and fundamental spinnors and weavers of energy into matter,its abilty to maintain integrity and cohesive stabilty is also down to sub-atomic vortices which "hold" the "form" in place. We are within an ocean of energy vortices,one within another within another add infinitum.Our own physical bodies and force centres (charkras)are all "held" in place and maintain intergrity by the motioning actions of many vortices acting in unision with each other. warmest regards michael.

Hi Michael,

Thanks for elaborating, and wow! This is summarizing a vortical universe in a zen style, cool.

Warmest regards,

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Thanks neutralino for correcting the link. Have to apologize for being a rookie here, I tried to make correction but however it does not allow me to, its probably something I have missed somewhere when clicking the mouse but I did tried.

I've changed the link for you. There's a time limit on editing posts, so that's probably why you couldn't change it!

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I see two primal vortexes that of Ying and Yang,these are the basic and fundamental spinnors and weavers of energy into matter,its abilty to maintain integrity and cohesive stabilty is also down to sub-atomic vortices which "hold" the "form" in place.

Michael, this Ying and Yang in a trigrams diagram is truly amazing.



This is a universe model developed by acient Chinese thousands of year ago, it a wonder how did they derive at this during those time. With that they know a lot more than what the modern scientist is still learning and ignorant of. However, over time this universe model is marred by myths and has strayed in developments of all sorts that thus has undermined it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang
The unity in duality of Ying and Yang circle in my intrepretation is it represents the opposite pair of polar vortices on a spheroid with rotation axis tilted at an angle; stretched vortex in perpetual motion would form in that shape. The Ying is the polar vortex at one pole and the Yang is the polar vortex at the other pole, both spinning cyclonically, and viewing a dynamic spheroid from a revolving axis tilted from the rotating axis from South Pole, that is the exact shape of a Ying and Yang diagram, with Ying behind the spheroid in a shade of shadow.

The trigrams diagram represents the phases of a spheroid in a precession on two axis, with 8 phases on each axis gets 64 scenarios (8 x 8 ) in a full precession cycle. Having recorded the phemonena in every phase on a daily basis over a long period of time in a satistical compilation could render accurate climate prediction based on past events that recurs in a cyclical manner.

In the Battle of Red Cliffs I believes Zhuge Liang used this knowledge and thus defeated an eight hundred thousand strong invading army without having a direct confrontation, in a blaze almost wiped out the entire troops of the enemy, by ancitipating a wind direction change after having observed the sky for many nights to account for position of stars in their constellation to make prediction based on I-Ching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Red_Cliffs

This wisdom of the ancient Chinese is marvellous.

Best regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo Michael, this Ying and Yang in a trigrams diagram is truly amazing. This is a universe model developed by acient Chinese thousands of year ago, it a wonder how did they derive at this during those time. With that they know a lot more than what the modern scientist is still learning and ignorant of. However, over time this universe model is marred by myths and has strayed in developments of all sorts that thus has undermined it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang The unity in duality of Ying and Yang circle in my intrepretation is it represents the opposite pair of polar vortices on a spheroid with rotation axis tilted at an angle; stretched vortex in perpetual motion would form in that shape. The Ying is the polar vortex at one pole and the Yang is the polar vortex at the other pole, both spinning cyclonically, and viewing a dynamic spheroid from a revolving axis tilted from the rotating axis from South Pole, that is the exact shape of a Ying and Yang diagram, with Ying behind the spheroid in a shade of shadow. The trigrams diagram represents the phases of a spheroid in a precession on two axis, with 8 phases on each axis gets 64 scenarios (8 x 8 ) in a full precession cycle. Having recorded the phemonena in every phase on a daily basis over a long period of time in a satistical compilation could render accurate climate prediction based on past events that recurs in a cyclical manner. In the Battle of Red Cliffs I believes Zhuge Liang used this knowledge and thus defeated an eight hundred thousand strong invading army without having a direct confrontation, in a blaze almost wiped out the entire troops of the enemy, by ancitipating a wind direction change after having observed the sky for many nights to account for position of stars in their constellation to make prediction based on I-Ching. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Red_Cliffs This wisdom of the ancient Chinese is marvellous. Best regards,

Thanks Vincent,am grateful for your comments and further thanks for the links,yes the
ancient Chinese were very wise indeed.

warmest regards michael.

[dipayankar]

Hi Vincent,

I am notorious for this fact. I ask uncomfortable questions. Sorry if it has troubled you. What I suggest is lets look at the equation of the vortex very closely and decipher as to what make it the choice of nature..

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo I must say your query is simple yet has hammered right on the nail. I believe you know you have asked a question that would have baffled any physicist or meteorologist studying atmospheric science on why nature would choose this shape, particularly the complex funnel shape of a tornado. Hitherto, the experts still have no clue to it after all sorts of attemtps and cited turbulence is still an unsolved problem of physics. http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ems_in_physics So you have to agree with me that you are making a big ask, however, to someone who have started this thread, these questions are reasonable. So please be patient with me in my attempt to forward the answer, it might not be to your expectations and have loose ends in those unheard-of radical ideas and concept. In a simple manner, this shape is most efficient for conservation of momentum in viscous mass in amazing states of equilibrium. I have an informal detailed explanation of this in a html page: http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20....htm#AppendixB As for the force dynamics involved for singular vortex that is naturally occurred, it is precession of the suspended spheroid enormously amplifed differentially on viscous mass. A detailed explanation is found at this section of a html page:http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20...r%20vortex.htm In my opinion, based on UVS, the scientific concensus for vortex theory went to meterologist's thermal mechanic model backed with Corolis force theory is a mistake. The dismissed mechanical model vortex theory represented by Einstein based on Earth's rotation on curved surface is downright correct, he did not have a good proof at then to prove his theory. Follow the html page, it will lead you to an immutable proof that the physicist's vortex model is correct. These are the fundamental reasons on the shape nature has adopted for vortex, is still enigmatic in atmospheric science. Best regards, Vincent.