The Universal Vortical Singularity

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Doesnt nature believe in simplifying itself???

dipayankar, I beg for integrity when comtemplating a natural phenomenon, though this is often not possible, I hope the spectrum could be covered as broad as possible. To your question on dosen't nature believe in simplifying iteself, I would respond with the other extreme also hold true, as in simplicity at the other side of complexity.

Nonetheless, I agree that we should tread from the simple end of the spectrum to begin with.

However as explained in the next thread, probably vacuum created will give the impetus required to form the shape.

Good guess. The dynamics involved can be extremely complex, temperature gradient, thermal effect, pressure gradient, etc, etc and vacuum in the void absolutely play an important role. On this, I suggest the focus should be on the primary cause, i.e. fundamental triggering mechanism within reasonable doubt, and not dwell on the effects with feedback functions that has triggered as a result of primary cause, and mistaken them as the primary cause. The vacuum factor is cleary an effect of the primary cause.

Best to you.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Hi Pat;

Glad you are also into I-Ching trigrams, this happended to be an important aspect of the prediction model I am proposing for UVS.

I have a page on this with further elaboration, however, merely scratching the surface only, there you would also find an animated diagram similar to the I-Ching concept, as in moon phases and reactions of tide caused by it. Please have a look and would look forward to your input to enrich the idea.
http://www.singularvortex.com/UVS%20on%20Bagua.htm

Hi Vincent;

I copied your wonderful I Ching trigrams, Yin/Yang diagram and posted it on my thread An Idea. I used and incorporated the I Ching trigrams as part of my Idea and love the way the Yin/Yang is incorporated with it in your diagram. I of course will give you proper credit.

Best,

Pat

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Hi Aaron, please join us, your company is most welcome.

Hello, to everyone who has been following this thread.
Mind if I join in the fray

From the perspective of UVS, for two large masses of air of different temperature or pressure came together and joined each other, more commonly known as hot front and cold front interactions, is the effect with feedback functions that could drive the storms, is mistaken as the cause.

Here are the evidence:


The void in the vortex of troposphere will be displaced by a higher atmosphere entity of different temperate that changes gradually with altitude, this cause the great different in air temperature for adjecent air masses. In some cases, like for hurricane, this warm core of hot and cold front would trigger a thermal effect that can intensify and sustain the storms for weeks in a feedback loop. However the differential sates are merely the effect of the cause. This is also same for pressure gradient effect, convection, the associated electromagnetic storm effect, external influences such as external pressure and warm sea effect, etc. Also a hurricane must not be mistaken as a vortex, though it mirrored exactly like one, it is merely a phenomenon induced as a shadow echoed by the dynamics of a huge cyclonic atmospheric vortex, probing in the dynamics of the induced phenomenon would probably be futile, but not useless though, and this is the main reason why it is still a poorly understood subject in atmospheric science. More details of this in UVS perspective can be found on this page:
http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20...Hurricane).htm

As for what was going on from a molecular level, I would humbly suggest the detailed probing should zero in on the fundamental cause, i.e. investigate on the invisible entity, this can be promising for it is an area not yet treaded. I am not the expert in this area, so best to you Aaron, and all those who seek in this direction.

I spent a little time a few years back considering the formation of vortexes in how they would fit into my own ToE.

Specifically I was trying to analyze the natural cycle of water going from ice or liquid to vapor, rising up high into the atmosphere, condensing back to liquid or ice and falling to the earth and flowing to the sea to repeat the cycle all over again.

One of the phenomena I needed Toe (sic) consider was: what was the cause of Tornadoes and Hurricanes? There seemed to be overwhelming evidence that they always occurred where two large masses of air of different temperature or pressure came together and joined each other.

It seemed that only under these conditions did the funnels or vortexes come about and in a real way it seems to be the simple result of these differentials interacting or coming together.

But I wanted to know what was going on from a molecular level. I knew that a small drop of water when vaporized would expand to fill a much bigger volume at the same pressure, so of course the opposite also happens that when vapor condensed back into liquid form, a huge volumetric pressure absence would be formed, a vacuum. So, I am wondering if this kind or processes are not going on for all variation of vortexes?

A differential of states, coupled with a volume altering condensation of one form or another?

This should be the classical explanations on the primary shape nature has adopted to express and one need not have to look elsewhere for alternative explanation.

Though I once had aced in engineering mathmatics, but that was something of distant pass a few decades ago, rusted and much has been forgotten, and I heard the modern senario for mathematics has undergone a major overhaul. However, friends in ministry of education who volunteered to help in the mathematics principles for vortex dynamics based on UVS has not bear anything as yet. Interplanetary gravity effects on fluid dynamics of viscos mass has not been deciphered yet, even Euler had only managed to solved the equations of differential gravity for up to three aligned planets, cannot account accurately if there are not aligned. The mathematics for multiple gravities reaction by several planets in different phases acting on viscous mass on a planet should be even more harder to conceive. I would be very grateful if the mathematicians here can shed some light, for stringers are research mathematicians and experts of this caliber should be aplenty here.

Then as to the circular/conical shape, circles and spheres are just the most efficient shapes for containing area and volume and can be solved with basic Min/Max Calculus applications, if I remember correctly. It’s been a few years. How many of you are Mathematicians?

p.s. I am still digesting the part I of your gravity theory. Some idea there reasonated with my probing into effects of plasma in a cosmology concept, particulary the effects of solar wind, still exploring.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Hi PoPpAScience;

Its nice to hear from someone who is also deeply sharing this sentiment of Einstein, for those who are treading on the other side of the spectrum in a quest, are rare and far in between, and not easy to meet on a same platform, if at all.

And looking forward to more of your insights and comments, from a person of pure science who is looking from the other end, to enrich the ground for boarder studies in exploring UVS.

Best regards.

Hi Vincent;

I have not been able to spend time over the last 3 months in this site, but hope to find time in the future, and look forward to reading your tread as it grows. I especially love your quote of Albert Einstein:

It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction - Albert Einstein

I feel that this quote should be read everyday by those who are seeking answers to big questions. So many big thinkers are terrified to think against what they feel they absolutely know.

[Profpat]

Hi Pat;

Glad you are also into I-Ching trigrams, this happended to be an important aspect of the prediction model I am proposing for UVS.

I have a page on this with further elaboration, however, merely scratching the surface only, there you would also find an animated diagram similar to the I-Ching concept, as in moon phases and reactions of tide caused by it. Please have a look and would look forward to your input to enrich the idea.
http://www.singularvortex.com/UVS%20on%20Bagua.htm

Hi Vincent;

Thank you for your link. I really think the ancient Chinese had an insight into the cosmos with their two concepts of the I Ching trigrams and the Taiji ( Yin/Yang symbol ). By incorporating them into the Bagua is most insightful.
In the above diagram I would have placement of the trigrams on opposing sides however, ( i.e. the three solid lines in opposite position of the three broken lines, etc. )

There have been a number of images which are succinct and tend to inspire such as Plato’s perfect circle, Zen’s incomplete circle, the Star of David, Pythagoras’s Odd/Even numbers, and others. However I don’t any are more complete in describing our universal movement and concepts as the above symbols seem to represent.

Bohr used the Taiji as part of his coat of arms and Liebniz used the I Ching trigrams to come with the binary number system. It does appear that everything can be expressed by using that system.

In my An Idea Theory I used the trigrams to express not only numbers but also color and sound.

Again, thank you for your posts, as I am now exploring the possibility of perhaps vortices being the very foundation of our reality.

Best to you,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Well firstly, a swirl (2 D) would be much simpler than a vortex, second, nature has a method of simplifying and straightening things out. We might not understand it completely, but every problem has a perfectly logical and simple natural answer..

Hello, Pat,

I have no particular interest in the weather. My interest here is in trying to understand/explain the causal effects that are responsible for creating vortexes. It just seems that tornadoes and hurricanes are probably as good a working model to analyze as any to try to get a handle on how these structures form since they occur here close at hand and quite a lot is already know about them compared to, say, galaxy formation.



Hi there, dipayankar,

Why do you think that the typical vortex shape is not the simplest solution shape to mix things together? It seems to me that it is the simplest path of least resistance. What kind of simpler shape are you envisioning?

Also, what is your basis for thinking that nature either believes anything or that it has a preference for simplicity. The simplest form for the universe would be a gray goo of single spheroids of exactly the same size and separation from each other or a solid perfect never-ending crystal lattace. If nature has any "urges" I would say that they are most evident in living sentient beings and their propensity to seek uniqueness and superiority at manipulating their surrounding environment.


Aaron

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Well firstly, a swirl (2 D) would be much simpler than a vortex, second, nature has a method of simplifying and straightening things out. We might not understand it completely, but every problem has a perfectly logical and simple natural answer..

I now understand where did you query come from, perhaps you meant to ask on what is the simplest form nature would choose, instead of a particular shape.

In this sense you are in the right direction, a swirl (2d) as the shape of a flat disk, good shot!. Take a look at this image, a brown dwarf OTS 44. Evidently, it did try to reduce to that shape by having lost a dimension.



And I believe give it the power it will try to reduce further, i.e. integrate back to relative nothingness and loose the other two physical dimensions apparently if it could, probably by spinning into a source of light beyond our optical bandwidth, the simplest form of existence possible. However, limited by the circumstances of this physical world, it can only do as much as it could, therefore would appear in the most efficient forms in a perfect state of equilibriums, observable as a funnel like shape entity extendable to a flat disc shape. The below html page will give you a better idea illustrated with an animation.
http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20...ry%20rings.htm

Keep your core searching questions coming, there are still many areas in UVS that requires deep penetrations. In the events when the answers cannot match your queries, it would still serve as food for thought and might then inspire us to new perspectives of significant.

Best to you.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Thanks Michael, for your endrosement of vortex concept for TOE, this is especially significant when coming from a person who have great insights into vortex since long. Your rally will continuously echo to all who search in this direction with a sense of consolation by reminding us the significants of this quest.

Thank you very much.

Without the conducting abilty of the vortex no existence would be possible,so lets all support the vortex,our very lives depend upon its twisting economical exchanges.



regards michael.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Hello guys,

Allow me to initiate a Universal Vortical Singularity (UVS) topic here, the Antarctica Ozone Hole (AOH).



NOAA all along has suggested AOH is chemically caused, and the world has been led to this belief. Only until very recently, NASA in a debut has suggested that AOH is linked to Polar Vortex (PV), this is supported with satellite images as evidence, and the low-temperature chemically perturbed ozone depleted region is confined within the PV, has suggested that the chemical reaction is an effect, i.e might not be the cause. (Para two)

Before NASA made this unprecedented statment, UVS has already made two qualitative predictions on AOH:

1. UVS predicts that ozone hole is caused by polar vortex inside its vortex column.
2. UVS predicts that Antarctica ozone hole is wobbling in synchronization with the position of moon under its gravitational influence.

The first UVS qualitative prediction on AOH is now supported by this NASA's statement with the satelilte images as evidence.

The evidence for the second UVS qualitative prediction on AOH is also in the animated satellite images, this animation can be loaded on the same NASA web page. Over a two month period, the elongated ozone hole on South Pole rotated in clockwise direction cyclonically and made two cycles was coincided with moon revolved clockwise around Earth twice during the two months period. (Revolved in clockwise around Earth when viewed from South Pole, quite a tricky paradox here, have to be very careful so as not to be confused.)

The details can be scrutinized with the database available and track the position of moon with a lunar Java applet, this should suffice as a solid proof. (Animation to simulate the AOH motion tracked by moon based on exact data is still pending construction.)

This might also suffice as proof for the first UVS prediction on AOH, and further bust a science myth that interplanetary gravities are too minuscular to have any significant effect on Earth's climate at all, and lend support to the concepts as proposed in Solar System Formation Effect, and this is an area the scientific communities must not omit.

Humbly presented for your appraisal and ingenious insights from all angles to scrutinize this research based on UVS for AOH.

(E&OE - Errors and ommission errors.)

p.s. This is considered as a very important area for the whole UVS research as a TOE, any contribution towards this research by any individual will be properly posted on the related web page, adequately credited and thanked.

[dipayankar]

Hi Vincent... thanks a lot.. actually I never reasoned as to why this shape came to my mind. Actually I am not a scientist like you guys.. I am just a commoner..

I now understand where did you query come from, perhaps you meant to ask on what is the simplest form nature would choose, instead of a particular shape.

In this sense you are in the right direction, a swirl (2d) as the shape of a flat disk, good shot!. Take a look at this image, a brown dwarf OTS 44. Evidently, it did try to reduce to that shape by having lost a dimension.



And I believe give it the power it will try to reduce further, i.e. integrate back to relative nothingness and loose the other two physical dimensions apparently if it could, probably by spinning into a source of light beyond our optical bandwidth, the simplest form of existence possible. However, limited by the circumstances of this physical world, it can only do as much as it could, therefore would appear in the most efficient forms in a perfect state of equilibriums, observable as a funnel like shape entity extendable to a flat disc shape. The below html page will give you a better idea illustrated with an animation.
http://www.singularvortex.com/WFE%20...ry%20rings.htm

Keep your core searching questions coming, there are still many areas in UVS that requires deep penetrations. In the events when the answers cannot match your queries, it would still serve as food for thought and might then inspire us to new perspectives of significant.

Best to you.