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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    What is your take on aether and the pioneer anomalies?? Do you think aether can cause such anomalies? Then why aren't the paths of planets and other bodies subjected to such changes?
    Everything seems to moving in a great expanse Dip.

    If we head in a different direction then the expand we are slowing our relative time to the expand experience.

    ...getting off the world and stopping in our tracks as the world goes on would give us the view as all passes before us, quickly. ... these i think are the anomalies being noted in both time and space we are not predicting having a limited view yet. IMHO.

    ...how can you put the break on to create spin and stop of forward motion? answer that and you have the ability to step off the world, off the solar system and even our galaxy ... even our universe some would say, ... if it too were in motion ...

    The rest of the frame drag is frictional forces.

    again, kind regards g. and do not take it to heart what i say as it is just my ponder
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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    hi Vincent, dip and all

    Predictable from general relativity is that rotating orbital mass drags space time around the mass as the orb rotates.

    There is a view other then this more reasonable to ponder. It is the view where there is not so much a pulling event but a pushing event by the more mass upon the lesser bonded in the aether to the orbiting mass (undefined the boundary).

    As a compare might be made in GR that it be a ball in a thick soup pulling the soup into orbit and anything in the soup so effected the reality is that the orb of massive proportions so much greater then the soup so to speak has the perpendicular attachment of the less mass in aether by frictional push effect on the aether … such postulated the material that would be in the soup is not pushed as easy as the aether but will still suffer effect of a push in nature to the view of frame drag.

    What would be the paradox of such the find of six feet variation to satellite in a year? The push effect on the rear caused by the over all perpendicular effect adds to the orbital of the satellite.

    ...LAGEOS I and II remember were shifted approximately six feet (two meters) per year in the direction of the Earth's rotating orbit.

    My morning ponder after coffee.

    as an after thought edit here we should not forget that the aether in the vicinity of the earth has alignment with direction based on the solar system.


    kind regards g.
    Last edited by G_burnett; 03-08-2009 at 04:15 PM. Reason: afterthought
    Max Planck, said that “all matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration which holds the atom together. We must assume behind this force is the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.

    and ....from an old master ... Ancora impara!

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    If spacetime is dragged, it should have been physically detected..

    Quote Originally Posted by G_burnett View Post
    hi Vincent, dip and all

    Predictable from general relativity is that rotating orbital mass drags space time around the mass as the orb rotates.

    There is a view other then this more reasonable to ponder. It is the view where there is not so much a pulling event but a pushing event by the more mass upon the lesser bonded in the aether to the orbiting mass (undefined the boundary).

    As a compare might be made in GR that it be a ball in a thick soup pulling the soup into orbit and anything in the soup so effected the reality is that the orb of massive proportions so much greater then the soup so to speak has the perpendicular attachment of the less mass in aether by frictional push effect on the aether … such postulated the material that would be in the soup is not pushed as easy as the aether but will still suffer effect of a push in nature to the view of frame drag.

    What would be the paradox of such the find of six feet variation to satellite in a year? The push effect on the rear caused by the over all perpendicular effect adds to the orbital of the satellite.

    ...LAGEOS I and II remember were shifted approximately six feet (two meters) per year in the direction of the Earth's rotating orbit.

    My morning ponder after coffee.

    as an after thought edit here we should not forget that the aether in the vicinity of the earth has alignment with direction based on the solar system.


    kind regards g.

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    If spacetime is dragged, it should have been physically detected..
    The GR postulation on spacetime is dragged by large celestial objects had been experimentally proven, as in atomic clock experiments and Shapiro delay experiments, it is also detected by Gravity Probe B in a satellite-based mission.

    However, how spacetime is dragged in GR postulation is one issue, how nature does it is another issue.

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo View Post
    The GR postulation on space time is dragged by large celestial objects had been experimentally proved, as in atomic clock experiments and Shapiro delay experiments, it is also detected by Gravity Probe B in a satellite-based mission.

    However, how space time is dragged in GR postulation is one issue, how nature does it is another issue.
    Hi Vincent

    I am having trouble with notifications on threads subscribed to so any lack of timely reply by me is that cause and not lack of interest.

    I still am with the picture that the aether is in motion to rules of our solar system and as the boundary is one of connivance to note by density variation it still leaves me with the ponder that it is a push of the aether in space(the boundary) over a given time(man made), if there is nothing to pull on on it it is a push by the larger mass density ( still not defined the platform of boundary as it will have to work in all dimensional boundary)

    Now saying this is with the thought of a scoop behind the aether density being the scoop has more density mass. If we look at the concept of the mass creating a vacuum in ongoing motion state of the higher density mass state passing through the aether it is still a push but not looked at that way ... the tests are slanted to the view going this platform jump off ... what happens when the density of mass is equal ... now bring movement into the picture. ...

    The tests lack a certain symmetry in the profess.

    I am sure they had fun

    kind regards graham.
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    and ....from an old master ... Ancora impara!

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by G_burnett View Post
    Hi Vincent

    I am having trouble with notifications on threads subscribed to so any lack of timely reply by me is that cause and not lack of interest.

    I still am with the picture that the aether is in motion to rules of our solar system and as the boundary is one of connivance to note by density variation it still leaves me with the ponder that it is a push of the aether in space(the boundary) over a given time(man made), if there is nothing to pull on on it it is a push by the larger mass density ( still not defined the platform of boundary as it will have to work in all dimensional boundary)

    Now saying this is with the thought of a scoop behind the aether density being the scoop has more density mass. If we look at the concept of the mass creating a vacuum in ongoing motion state of the higher density mass state passing through the aether it is still a push but not looked at that way ... the tests are slanted to the view going this platform jump off ... what happens when the density of mass is equal ... now bring movement into the picture. ...

    The tests lack a certain symmetry in the profess.

    I am sure they had fun

    kind regards graham.
    Hi Graham,

    Appreciate your immersed interest all this while.

    Well, in a communist community that paradoxically portray as a free community, where freedom of speech is granted without bound for "pull" event in nature but any utterance of "push" would not be tolerated at all. E in that community just had to express his understanding of nature's "push" discreetly in the community with consensus only for "pull" events of nature.

    Moving in the opposite direction of the mainstream stealthily he therefore played with the duality of nature with equivalent principles to disguise his "push" of nature as a "pull", and I think it was ingenious for him to warp spacetime to do that. After all, space and time are the only two intrinsic characteristics in the perception nature that cannot be proven and is immutable.

    Did not Galileo had to officially admit in court that his spheroidal Earth postulation is heresy?

    ... the tests are slanted to the view going this platform jump off ...
    It is the test results that are slanted by the community to the "pull" platform view.

    Best regards my vortex buddy.

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    GR does not validate the concept of dragging of spacetime. It behaves more like a fabric which can be distorted. It does not behave like a fluid. My take is that GR needs to be relooked into.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo View Post
    The GR postulation on spacetime is dragged by large celestial objects had been experimentally proven, as in atomic clock experiments and Shapiro delay experiments, it is also detected by Gravity Probe B in a satellite-based mission.

    However, how spacetime is dragged in GR postulation is one issue, how nature does it is another issue.

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    GR does not validate the concept of dragging of spacetime.
    It does.

    See frame-dragging.

    It behaves more like a fabric which can be distorted. It does not behave like a fluid.
    The spacetime distortion by a celestial mass in a two-dimensional pictorial appears like a distorted fabric. This is the two-dimensional analogy of Einstein's geometric gravity in a framework of three-dimensional spatial geometry and a dimension of time.

    My take is that GR needs to be relooked into.
    My re-looking into GR from the very fundamental through UVS is several posts before this at post #538.

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    So does space time behave like a fluid near celestal bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo View Post
    It does.

    See frame-dragging.



    The spacetime distortion by a celestial mass in a two-dimensional pictorial appears like a distorted fabric. This is the two-dimensional analogy of Einstein's geometric gravity in a framework of three-dimensional spatial geometry and a dimension of time.



    My re-looking into GR from the very fundamental through UVS is several posts before this at post #538.

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    Re: The Universal Vortical Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    So does space time behave like a fluid near celestal bodies?
    Spacetime continuum is aether-like, aether is a an all pervasive universal medium that behaves like fluid and encapsulates all celestial bodies.

    Spacetime continuum behaves like consolidated fluid near celestial bodies, its gravitational potential and field density follows the principle of inverse-square law, this is universal for all viscous matter including fluid.

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