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[Omni]

I will place my TOE here is a short while. I can write it in Dutch without errors but I don't want to make mistakes in English (imagine my English version with errors is the correct one ). It will just be the basic idea, not the concequenses. There are an infinite number of them ofcourse and everybody can think of some for themselves.

[Guille]

I'll be very near to the forum these days and I will cmment on your TOE when you post it. I recomend you te read or re-read the web of Mikio Kaku that I gave you, so that you make sue that your TOE enterns in all descriptions.

[Omni]

Beforehand... I can not say every in and out I thought about because that's too much and this will do for now I guess. I had the same questions as a lot of us have, I guess, somewhere in our lifetime… where does the universe come from? …where does it end?...does it end?...etc. I read some things about the universe (speed of light, relativity, Dopplereffect etc.) as maybe less of us do. One day (I believe in 1986 or something like that) I looked at a picture of the moon and it hit me. It was the other way around. It wasn’t space that was empty…it was the moon that was empty and space pressing on it. It felt good right from the start. There you have gravity. Away with the never found gravitons. Ok. Very nice…but what next….? I thought and found a solution which is maybe a little hard to put in English but here goes… I thought about the fact that nothing we know has an end. Where space stops the moon begins and visa versa. There’s nothing in between. Ok, the ingredients of the universe we observe are space and the stuff for example the moon is made of. They got one property in common : they occupy room (I hope this is the right word, but to use the word space again might be confusing). I got an insight which explained, at least to me, how it all would end up like this. Before the BB there was space. Elastic space. Not made of particles but one and elastic. I don’t know how to put this in English but I’ll try…Space is elastic and in motion ,so the density differs from place to place. It stretches and contracts (is this the right word? Opposite of stretching). When you wait long enough, chances are, somewhere in the universe you will get a point from which in all directions the space would get away from…stretching…until it rips. At that point space will rip (“point” in these sentences isn’t a real point ofcourse). There will be a gap in space. Where did that gap come from? From nothing. It wasn’t there and now it’s there. It’s “created”. What properties does that gap have? It occupies room…nothing more, nothing less. So there you have it. Something that wasn’t there before and is there now. It’s occupying space and furthermore it has no properties. I did call it “vacuumspace” and I will keep calling it that because it’s a good word for it I guess (if not handy then Omnispace will be a nice one. ehum). So from this point in time you’ve got vacuumspace that “isn’t supposed to be there”. Space will press on it to get it away , but ofcourse it will not go away since you can’t get vacuumspace back to what it was…nothing. It’s a onewaystreet. Space keeps pressing and pressing until the pressure gets to the point where vacuumspace will “explode” => BB. “And then there was light” I thought back then. Think of a large bubble of air in water. The water is pressing on the air until the bubble of air will “collapse” and many tiny bubbles will go in every direction (there’s no up in the universe ofcourse, every direction is up so to speak). A difference between water/air and space/vacuumspace however is the “fact” that water and air are made of particles and space as well as vacuumspace are one => let’s say for now that it where fotons that were “produced” during the BB then every foton will shoot away from the BB but will be connected to where it came from=> vacuumspace will not rip. Why? Because if it did then space which was ripped must be rejoined after being ripped. Does it? I don’t know ofcourse but will stand by : space ripped=>vacuumspace (not rippable, at least not by space) was created. When let’s say a foton goes through space then it will be pushed upon by space from every direction. It will have it’s initial speed gotten by the BB and from there force from every direction will be the same so it’s speed will be constant…..will it? No. As I said before space is elastic and is in motion and therefore density differs so it will be possible that the speeds of light will differ from time to time (depending on where in space it is). You can also imagine that the speed of light (not C but the true speed of the foton) will decrease when traveling trough space but this will be the case for all fotons then (denser space=> maybe bigger speeddecrease etc.). Is a foton a particle or a wave? Vacuumspace is a particle with at it’s boundaries there are what we call fotons which have “tails”. It’s all connected. => Fotons will get smaller because the tail (“wave”) will take an amount of volume away from the foton (“the particle”) . However as it’s the case with every foton we don’t notice it by looking at fotons or things made up from foton’s (matter). We will however notice it by the distance between let’s say two galaxies. Let’s say there are two stationary galaxies (stationary in relation to the other (distance between centers is constant),not in relation to space), then with shrinking fotons the galaxies would shrink and therefore the amount of space between them will grow. It’s not hard to imagine how let’s say 2 foton’s wil interact. Picture 2 fotons. The pressure on each pointing at the other will be greater then the pressure to other directions (only picture the 2 fotons and space) and they wil eventually cirkel around eachother=>=>=>etc what we call matter is “born”. When light goes from A to B then it’s speed (C) is constant, but it isn’t a straight line which it follows so the speed isn’t constant…far from it. When it’s high frequency it will go a much longer way then when it’s low frequency (this all considering it’s really a wave-path it follows, but I take that for granted for now). When light goes a long way then it’s thinkable that it’s speeds will decrease….C will be constant but the wave will be longer…redshift….. Hey… but when it’s high frequency then….this foton will shrink faster then when it’s low frequency… or will it not because the thickness of the low frequency tail (slower foton) is greater….? Questions, questions, dear Watson….Well, I think I’ll stop for now. These were some thoughts. Not all of them ofcourse, but to write all I’ve thought on this matter for let’s say 19 years would be a “little bit” too much. I will of course comment/answer on your comments/questions. Omni.

[Guille]

One day (I believe in 1986 or something like that)

This theory is actually 4 years older than me!! I have lost a lot of time coming to the earth so late....or not? (for those who didn't notice, this is a retorical question, which means it isn't asking for an answer)

I thought about the fact that nothing we know has an end. Where space stops the moon begins and visa versa.

Good Idea, you use the concept of infinity well explained, int he sence that there is no end, no begining(which is the original meaning of infinity)

They got one property in common : they occupy room (I hope this is the right word, but to use the word space again might be confusing).

Indeed it is still confusing, or wrong, becuase space IS THE ROOM. space can't occupy space, I know what you mean, but no.

Before the BB there was space. Elastic space. Not made of particles but one and elastic. I don’t know how to put this in English but I’ll try…Space is elastic and in motion ,so the density differs from place to place. It stretches and contracts (is this the right word? Opposite of stretching). When you wait long enough, chances are, somewhere in the universe you will get a point from which in all directions the space would get away from…stretching…until it rips. At that point space will rip (“point” in these sentences isn’t a real point ofcourse). There will be a gap in space.

If it's a gap in space, how can it be the universe, the big bang, because the unvierse is space and other properties, how could space be a rip of space?

From nothing. It wasn’t there and now it’s there. It’s “created”.

aha, didn't you tell me in the chat that it was illgical that osmething came from nothing? (Zeroca's theory)

What properties does that gap have? It occupies room…nothing more, nothing less

A rip of space, which is actually space, occupies space.....its a bit contradictory, can you explain it clearer?.

(if not handy then Omnispace will be a nice one. ehum)

Did anyone ever tell yopu that you are really modest?

“isn’t supposed to be there”

What do you mean? is space or any other porperty supposed to be there? if space rips, then it is supposed to be a rip therre.

“Space will press on it to get it away , but ofcourse it will not go away since you can’t get vacuumspace back to what it was…nothing. It’s a onewaystreet.

Why is it a one way street? why can it devide but not unify?

“Space keeps pressing and pressing until the pressure gets to the point where vacuumspace will “explode” => BB. .

Again, if it was a rip of space, 1) how can it be space and 2) how can it space grow in space?

“And then there was light” .

DId the light also suddenly appear? how come?



I dind't udnerstand ythe end, did you say that light was wave or particles?

during the BB then every foton will shoot away from the BB but will be connected to where it came from=> vacuumspace will not rip. Why? Because if it did then space which was ripped must be rejoined after being ripped. .

Any case, if omnispace (I prefer this name, because I find vacuum space being just a form of normal space but without properties, and by your definition, space doesn't have porperties never, the prperties are the extension after space? then, properties like matter don't occupy space? or they are not ins apce? were are they?) if omnispace rips, what would be fomred, vacuum omni space, or the first type of space?

However as it’s the case with every foton we don’t notice it by looking at fotons or things made up from foton’s (matter).

I would call the photons-crash-creating-matter with this name: The photomatterial effect. I do have something similar, (in the sese of a similar concept, not the photon=> matter) in my TOE which I'm creating.



By the way, could you explain me how and why the speed and size of photons change in omni space?



I was about to forget, it was a good job, I like that your theory isn't very far from the one that I belief (Zeroca's theory) and that actually both can exist, more or less, together.

[Omni]

Indeed it is still confusing, or wrong, becuase space IS THE ROOM. space can't occupy space, I know what you mean, but no.

Ok, occupying space isn't the right term. I mean all there is (space and vacuumspace) have one thing in common and that's that they both have volume (English is not my motherlanguage, but this explanation must suffice I guess).

If it's a gap in space, how can it be the universe, the big bang, because the unvierse is space and other properties, how could space be a rip of space?

What we call space differs from vacuumspace. It has different properties. "When you wait long enough, chances are, somewhere in the universe you will get a point from which in all directions the space would get away from…stretching…until it rips." When it rips a hole/gap (or how you call it) is left which has volume. Before the rip and creation of that hole/gap there was nothing there. That place wasn't there yet.

aha, didn't you tell me in the chat that it was illgical that osmething came from nothing? (Zeroca's theory)

When i'm not mistaken then it was about the splitting of nothing in two opposite equal parts. That's not possible. That's also not what i'm saying. I'm saying there was "something" that ripped and as a concequence of that happening vacuumspace was created from nothing.

Did anyone ever tell yopu that you are really modest?

I don't think so, or it must have slipped by my brilliant mind.

What do you mean? is space or any other porperty supposed to be there? if space rips, then it is supposed to be a rip therre.

I don't mean it like that. It's not about if it has reasons and therefor is logical. It's about the vacuumspace is created from nothing and then is in surroundings which differs from it's own and that has concequences.

Why is it a one way street? why can it devide but not unify?

It isn't divided. It's not space dividing into space and vacuumspace. It's space=> rip=> space +vacuumspace created from nothing. The rest of the answers will follow later (have things to do).

[Guille]

chances are, somewhere in the universe you will get a point from which in all directions the space would get away from…stretching…until it rips." When it rips a hole/gap (or how you call it) is left which has volume.

If something has voulme it occupies space. Becuase it is in space.
Sorry but you still didn't give me a way of imaginating or being capable of idealizing the rip of space and the creation of an omnispace. What country are you from? maybe I know your mother language.....english isn't my mother languange also. I can idealize the creation out of nothing of the omnispace (which is obvious, because space rips) but not the rip of space. What do you mnea that there is an absent of force of space?

I don't think so, or it must have slipped by my brilliant mind.

Most porbable your mind isn't prepeared to understand your theory plus remembering if ever someone told you that you were modest........... I will tell you this know, and in a distant future if both of us are in this forum stil, I will try to meake you remember................ You are modest. (although I don't think so, but I'm telling you vor my experiment).

[Omni]

It's late now and i'm tired. I will answer your questions tomorrow. I'm from the Netherlands and I speak Dutch, but language isn't really the issue here i think. I have invited you to chat just now because that's faster and maybe i could answer some things quick.