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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Hi Wick….I do understand your thoughts on free-will. It’s quite evident that free-will choice can come from the self-knowledge that one is accountable or it can come from ignorance and one simply runs into the Law of Reciprocity or “you reap what you sow.”

    Self-knowledge of accountability is not the same as possessing the knowledge that one should be accountable to the man-made moral laws in society.
    Self-knowledge of accountability to higher moral and ethical Universal Laws is achieved in the Transcendent experience. Now if it is possible to transcend to a higher state of being and a higher level of being marked by free-will consciousness then it is kind of self-evident that we are endowed with a Transcendent possibility that must be connected to the Creator and a possibility within the Creative Impulse that manifested the creation of human life.

    There are many Moral Philosophers who believe human free-willed consciousness could be a factor in the Universe which is acting to decrease the amount of entropy which would be affected by conscious creative and moral activity.

    Maybe its possible that the Transcendent experience transfers information into the physical Universe increasing its complexity and integration while simultaneously decreasing total entropy.

    From my own experience I realized that there is some strange link between creation and true moral activity. It’s now my responsibility to employ free-will consciousness to bring a moral order to every event I understand is non-harmonious to the right to a full experience of life. We can call it what we see as wrong in the world or the presence of evil forces and it is self-knowledge of accountability that gives us the presence of mind to recognize and know its presence.

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Thanks, Mikal, for your thoughts.

    With these things in mind, rest assured that RLT must first dismantle General Relativity. Any perception that the past and the future are real events caught in the amber of spacetime is repugnant to the concept of free will and accountability.

    So from my perspective, the past and the future are not real. Time travel is not possible. Time is not navigable in any way. Time is simply and only the change that occurs in the present. It is not a measure of moments. It is a measure of change.

    That said, let me reiterate that there are two distinct kinds of change in RLT. There are changes of position and changes of state. These two kinds of change are completely different in their nature. Changes of position can be measured by time, but changes of state are the very essence of time. Changes of position occur when macroscopic objects move from point a to point b in 3-space. Changes of state occur when microscopic objects of 4-dimensions (the quanta) move across the 3-space to change the structure of macroscopic matter.

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Well thank you for the chat Wick and also for sharing your thoughts.
    I'm studying the Science of Light and Sound and time is a factor in that study so I am also tearing alot of principles apart involving a concept of time...if I grasp any insights I will let you know...smiles...

    Don't let me hold you up further, although I've enjoyed our discussion I am waiting for your thread to further unfold....

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Looking back at the last bit I wrote to Mikal, I think it could be possible that some would misunderstand my position about the present and the concept of eternity. I should probably set that record straight.

    It is true that RLT suggests that the past and the future are not real, tangible things. The concept of past and future are very real. In other words, I can tell you what happened yesterday or what is planned for tomorrow, but I do not believe that yesterday and tomorrow exist in any way. The past is the ways the universe was once configured, but those configurations have passed away. We can say that those configurations existed. We cannot say those past configurations exist. There is no spacetime for them to exist in if we take RLT at its face value.

    Neither do future configurations exist. There are likely outcomes as the configuration of the universe changes. We can predict. We can speak of probabilities. But there is no existence in that. The future is only an idea. A concept of what things might be like.

    The Present IS eternity. The Present is where things happen. It's where things will always happen. The Present is real and tangible. It's the space we live in and the matter we currently possess. It's the light we hold onto and the people we love. Its the change that happens as the universe shifts from was to what is. It's our sorrows and our joys.

    The Present contains everything. If there is a record of the past, that record of the past exists here in the Present. It is a bit of film. A mind configured to store memories. A grave marker on a far off hill. A cave drawing in the South of France. The bones of a dinosaur buried in the hardened tar of an ancient tar pit. The seeds that have fallen from this years flowers. The smell of bread after dinner is over. The scent of my beloved on her pillow. All of these things are in the Present.

    No person on earth has ever gone to visit the past, nor has any one visited the future. Nor will anyone ever do so. Because time is not part of a landscape. All time is is change. It is the reconfiguration of matter and space that happens here and now in the Present. It should not be mysterious that change slows down in places where gravity or acceleration is less intense. Time is not a mysterious thing. It is only change. Time is just change...thats all it is. If the rate of quantum change slows down in an atomic clock, then the clock will tick slower. There is no mystery in that.

    But the Present also contains more than what we can see. We know this is true, because the universe and its contents move in a way that bears quiet witness that there is somthing more. We call it dark matter and dark energy. These things are also in the Present. But they are outside the universe we see, the observable place upon which matter and space are reconfiguring.

    The observable universe in which we live is only a surface--a surface of 3 dimensions. But just as the shifting surface of the ocean has depths beneath it and heights above it, so this observable universe is a phase boundary inside a much vaster 4-space. Most of the matter and energy that is us resides in that extra-space.

    Now we see through the glass darkly, but in times to come, when we have passed from the surface, we will see as we are seen. We will still exist...at least that's what I beleive. That's what RLT tells me. And that, too, will be the present. Not the same present as the present we live out upon the surface of 3-space. In that greater space, quantum motion will subside...there will no longer be changes of state...there will only be changes of position. We will learn things differently then.

    The Present is Eternity. Everything there is is right here and now. Certainly the way the hear and now is configured will change. That's what this universe does. For a while we must bear the sorrows and joys that come from quantum changes (or changes of state). In other words, we must be born, grow up, grow old and die. But the light...the organizing principle that organizes the matter each of us wears (a beautiful body) is eternal and unchanging. The light is at rest. Ultimately light is what we are. The flesh is transitory, but the light is eternal.

    Regards!

    Wick

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
    The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,
    Hath had elsewhere its setting,
    And cometh from afar:
    Not in entire forgetfulness,
    And not in utter nakedness,
    But trailing clouds of glory do we come
    From God, who is our home:
    Heaven lies about us in our infancy!
    Shades of the prison-house begin to close
    Upon the growing Boy,
    But He beholds the light, and whence it flows,
    He sees it in his joy;
    The Youth, who daily farther from the east
    Must travel, still is Nature's Priest,
    And by the vision splendid
    Is on his way attended;
    At length the Man perceives it die away,
    And fade into the light of common day.

    From Wordsworths Intimations of Immortalility

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    The present is infinity.

    The present always has been, and shall always be.

    As you describe in your post, it is always 'now'.

    We are all time-travellers in the sense that we are the repository for our personal memories of things experienced. We can recall memories and relive them in our mind and in our dreams, in such detail as they seem 'real.'

    We can also project ourselves into one or several concepts of future, in seeking a choice with the best opportunity for reaching our potential.

    So while some might sense that they experience 'time', perhaps it is 'time' that experiences us through the interactions of energy and movement.
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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Yes. All memory. All experience. All hope. Everything is in the eternal present.

    Those who espouse general relativity may point to evidence which seem to indicate that every observer occupies a different and unique place in space and time, but this is only evidence that the present moves (as a surface) and each observer is rising and falling upon the waves of that surface.

    Each observer rides upon the surface as we would ride a boat. Sometimes our unique boat rises on the 3-dimensional surface of space, sometimes it descends. We are caught on these waves which propagate across the surface. The waves that change the shape of the space we occupy are gravity and light. They work together to shape the surface upon which we travel.

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    I've quoted this perhaps too many times, but it bears repeating. Einstein warns:

    Concepts that have proven useful in ordering things easily achieve such an authority over us that we forget their earthly origins and accept them as unalterable givens. Thus they come to be stamped as "necessities of thought," "a priori givens," etc. The path of scientific advance is often made impassable for a long time through such errors. For that reason, it is by no means an idle game if we become practiced in analyzing the long commonplace concepts and exhibiting those circumstances upon which their justification and usefulness depend, how they have grown up, individually, out of the givens of experience. By this means, their all-too-great authority will be broken. They will be removed if they cannot be properly legitimated, corrected if their correlation with given things be far too superfluous, replaced by others if a new system can be established that we prefer for whatever reason.

    The notion of the speed of light is a current "necessity of thought", and "a priori given". It's assumed existence has made significant scientific advancement "impassable". We should become practiced in analyzing this "long commonplace concept," breaking its "all-too-great authority", determining if the so-called speed of light has been "properly legitimated", and when we learn that it has not been, we must replace it with a "new system". Light is not moving. We are.

    For many centuries we thought the stars were moving in circles about the earth. Copernicus proved this observed "fact" false. So for many centuries we have thought that light is moving. We have measured the speed of light with thousands of interferometer test. It is an observed "fact" which will in the end be proven false.

    Let's prove luminal velocity false now, and move on with science.

    Wick

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Wick View Post
    It's Not an Easy Thing

    It's not an easy thing
    to stop the circling stars,
    to speak a word and thus
    forbid the heavens move.

    But the Canon of Frombork
    learned that word
    and dared to speak it,
    and the stars stood still.

    And on that day, the earth
    broke free from her Ptolemaic
    moorings and started her eliptical
    dance around good Father Sun.

    Such astonishing power
    rested on the lips of the holy
    Canon of Frombork, whose bones
    now lie beneath the altar.

    Were that he were here
    to teach me how to speak
    the word that none will hear--
    a word to stop the photon cold,

    a word to tear apart
    the web of space and time
    that holds us all unmoving
    in a patent clerk's firm grip.

    Wick
    This poem, posted in TOE Poetry, expresses a frustration of mine. I shouldn't have studied the arts and languages. Physics and math would serve me better, I think. God bless, Copernicus for shaking the solar system free, for putting the earth in motion, and for stopping the insane, speed-of-light spinning of the Dome of Fixed Stars. If the Canon of Frombork were here, perhaps he could help me learn how to get my point across.

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    Re: Resting Light Theory

    Originally Posted by Wick
    It's Not an Easy Thing

    It's not an easy thing
    to stop the circling stars,
    to speak a word and thus
    forbid the heavens move.

    But the Canon of Frombork
    learned that word
    and dared to speak it,
    and the stars stood still.

    And on that day, the earth
    broke free from her Ptolemaic
    moorings and started her eliptical
    dance around good Father Sun.

    Such astonishing power
    rested on the lips of the holy
    Canon of Frombork, whose bones
    now lie beneath the altar.

    Were that he were here
    to teach me how to speak
    the word that none will hear--
    a word to stop the photon cold,

    a word to tear apart
    the web of space and time
    that holds us all unmoving
    in a patent clerk's firm grip.

    Wick
    It's a beautiful poem, Wick.

    What may I do to ease your frustration?

    No two things or beings in creation are exactly alike, nor can they occupy the same space simultaneously. Our unique experience of being, therefore, is not an easy thing to share.

    Language is but one means of expression, and though words are assigned specific meanings, the context in which they are used can lead to uncertainty and misunderstanding.

    I bounce from thread to thread and read like a demon, slowing to savour and reread things that tug at my mind, though I may not comprehend them in full. Somewhere down the track, bits and pieces that have stuck with me, suddenly pop into focus, and another piece of my existence suddenly makes more sense.

    Though I do not post often on your thread, I stop by fairly often, and you have contributed more than you may know to the whirling thoughts and images in my mind.

    It is because of your command of language that I return to your thread. The formulas and numbers of some of the threads just do not resonate with me, although I can logically appreciate their significance.

    There is work and play for each of us, and though we may not always know or feel it, each of us is contributing in the best way that we may know.

    From a Distance, by Bette Midler

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSh5wUtXt4

    Our job, being, to somehow bridge it........

    It's okay, Wick, seeds may lay dormant for a long time. The important thing, is to plant them, and they will grow in their proper time....
    So many paths to the same destination,
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