Is Thought in Motion?

[ggullet]

Is Thought in Motion?

I would like to have feed back on this question. I am a new member of toequest, and I am just putting together my thoughts to formulate my TOE.
The basis of my theory is that everything is connected (literally), and that actual movement is not possible. I know this is not a new theory but none the less I pursue. Which brings me to the question "Is thought in motion". To be true to my theory I would have to say no, but I would like to solve the bigger question (to me), which is, at the point where "One" convinced itself there was space to move around in was it a thought or was thought just another tool of the deception?

[dleviwing]

ggullet;
There is no scientific evidence to support such a TOE idea so in my opinion you are chasing your tail. There are however, a few members that will be pleased to discuss such fallacies with you.

[ggullet]

ggullet;
There is no scientific evidence to support such a TOE idea so in my opinion you are chasing your tail. There are however, a few members that will be pleased to discuss such fallacies with you.

any step forward is a step towards the point you just stepped away from. so it would appear we are all "chasing our tails", but thanks for your opinion.

"logic is only logical within the parameters of it's own logical proof"

[Mikal]

gg...I think your ponderings and questions are very legitimate! Also very interesting to me because of course I am strongly mental and what I refer to as a multidimensional thinker. By observing my own thought processes it helps me to define differing kinds or levels of thought. As a young child I was an imaginitive and intuitive thinker...at 6 and a half a shock in life brought about my first conscious memory...its still vivid and clear. After that shock I had to have had some kind of early consciousness because suddenly I discovered the ability to understand contrast between for example what my parents told me and what I was actually finding out through my own experience. I remember then I began to shore up the first steps of critical thought and by 12 I was debating my father on such things as religion and life and death. I then began to be an organizational thinker for example I liked to build extravagant leave houses and I would go into the planning and formation just like I was going to structure together the plans for a real house before you actually build it. I think it was in that state of organizational thinking that I learnt from in school...I was quite meticulous in the learning experience. I remember highschool and my attraction to learning anything comprised in a system like bookkeeping, marketing and accounting. My mind seemed to like organizing, figuring and balancing. With each year of study I was growing more analytical and objective so of course refining my own ability to discern with precise and meticulous care. I noticed that I was beginning to have what is called a retentive memory and some strange goings on like improving ability to conserve one's own mental energy and expend it in a highly efficient way. My ability to think in an organizational way won me a scholarship into the first Ontario Program to train Operating Room Technicians to work one-on-one with doctors in surgury. All studying was systems and patterns of surgical instrument organization for procedures of surgury so of course I excelled because I had refined my ability to understand how a process works and moves. I knew how to think myself through the steps of the surgury which of course identified which surgical instruments went with each step. By about 33 I had become so extroverted in thought I think I unbalanced my own psyche because suddenly from being relational to life I became tremendously self-reflective and began to move into and through tremendous introspective states of thought. Thats when my experience with thought became like movement....imaginal with complex interior landscapes and my experiences with thought now became visual, auditory, kinesthetic and olfactory in nature. I now had the strange experience of feeling myself in moving thought...wow great states I will never forget. I think you gotta move thought from the logical to the self-reflective to the imaginal to experience intense introspective states which lead to bringing the mind and thought to eventual order and balance. Now they are just my opinions on thought because of my own experiences as a thinker....so I think your ponder is quite ligitimate in the face of the fact that we talk about thinking but we do not really go indepth with sharing and explaining our own thinking experience with our own thought processes...


Mikal

[Wick]

Hi Ggullet,

My ideas are in direct opposition to yours, so I'll keep my ideas to myself. In a certain sense, however, I think you'll find a friend in Einstein and the theory of GR. Einstein was of the opinion that there could be no past, present or future. According to Einstein, these concepts are of human origin, not of natural origin. He believed that all universal moments and frames of reference existed in their proper place in the spacetime.

In other words, the whole configuration of the universe at any given moment, exists in the spacetime fabric. It has always existed there. It exists in the universal fabric now. It will always exist there.

Some people interpret this to mean that there is no movement in the universe. The universe is static and determinate. It knows what you are going to do next, because the configuration of your future moments are already configured in the fabric of space and time. You think you are free to choose, but you are not. You only think you are free. If the fabric of space and time is as determinate as Einstein conceived it, I think your concept of no motion might fall neatly in a spacetime structure.

Its all interpretation though. I think Dave is a believer in spacetime, but he reconciles spacetime and motion in a way that I have not yet come to understand. Look into GR and I think you'll find other scientists who hold to your idea that there is no motion...only the appearance of motion.

I am not of that persuasion, but perhaps a determinist interpretation of GR will help you formulate your ideas.

[Wick]

I forgot to address the thought part. Something that neither GR nor QM addresses is the thing we call consciousness or thought. QM discusses the impact of thought upon quantum mechanical events, but does not really get into how thought does what it does or exactly what thought or consciousness are. Roger Penrose is one of the first scientists to seriously try to incorporate consciousness into GR and QM. His writings might provide some insights for you. I think his book on the subject is The Emporer's New Mind. I'm not sure about the title, but that should get you on the right track.

[aghost4u]

hi gg,

Is though in motion? does your working draft for your toe depend on it?o.k.,I'm not as schooled in this kind of matter as I should be to answer this question.
I will share something I know to be true to me.This might help.I've always ,like many people, been able to dowse.I've refined these abilities for a number of years.How exactly it works,(I've read many theories) I don't know.I have a very good success rate.I use it often to find broken underground water supply pipes.
I've even made the guys from the city look silly a couple of times,being successful when they were not with an expensive machine.All I used was a couple of L shaped pieces of copper pipe from the back of the plumbing van.

Plain standing water has no reaction to a dowser,running water creates a reaction for a dowser.Standing water,no reaction. Blessed water creates a reaction,is this some kind of proof that mind can move.That there could be a real difference in the collective consciousness through thought or prayer?

ghosty

[Mikal]

Hi Ghosty....don't know whether this answers your last question there but my whole life changed through a prayer...actually The Prayer of Brotherhood which I found in 1977...it was a long experience and at the end of it I had evolved to my own potential for social consciousness...I have never been the same since....


Mikal

[aghost4u]

Mikal,

Whether it's positive thinking,prayer or something else,I can't be sure.Belief is a major component in dowsing,plus open expectations.Blessed water does make my pendulum react,as well as dowsing rods and witching stick.Still water...not

Ghosty

[Mikal]

Hi Ghosty...I have studied this dowsing and its pretty interesting! Actually I just read a book by Frank Joseph about his study of ancient history and he speaks alot about dowsing as it has its roots as an art in the ancient world. You must be sensitive to earth's vortexes of energy....thats interesting!!


Mikal