Paradox of Potential popped Aware

[PoPpAScience]

There is only an "Infinity for Eternity" (Potential). Within "Infinity for Eternity" (Potential), there was a "Zero point" (Paradox), that gave birth to a "Wave Front" (Aware) that popped forth outwards in all directions. Thus, a "Paradox of Potential popped Aware" (Universe).

As the Event Horizon of the "Wave front" (Aware), moves off into "Infinity for Eternity" (Potential), from the "Zero Point" (Paradox), it leaves behind "Bounded Infinity" (Substance), which is effected by the "Motion of Eternity" (Time), giving the newly forming Universe, "Substance for Time" (Evolution).

As the "Substance for Time" (Evolution) moves within the Bounded Universe, it is driven by the inherent "Action" of the "Paradox of Potential popped Aware" (Universe), "To be more then it was before". This is what drives the engine of "Substance for Time (Evolution).



"Zero point" (Paradox)
of
"Infinity for Eternity" (Potential)
popped
"Wave Front" (Aware)
leaving
"Bounded Infinity" (Substance)
and
"Motion of Eternity" (Time)
called
"Substance for Time" (Evolution)
thus
"Paradox of Potential popped Aware" (Universe)

[Graybeard]

Hi Allen ... Good thread starter. I am just seeking a clarification.

I read your thread starter to say that: There is only a potential. The potential was realised, or utilised, in the form of expansion in all directions. The resultant 'debris' left behind in this expansion Is substance affected by time. Matter in Motion ??

In effect, this can be described as Evolution within a Universe, and the 'event horizon' is the wave front of this expansion.

Is this a correct interpretation ? If so, how is communication (you mentioned photons in another thread) achieved within this Universe, or is it a result of random action continuing ?

cool bananas ... greg

[PoPpAScience]

Hi Greg; Thanks for your interest.

I called "Infinity for Eternity" Potential, because as you stated it was both realised and utilised. Potential is the one and only word that can not be argued with, because after all, there had to be Potential in the beginning, else we would not be here.

Now when I say beginning, I am talking about the start of our Universe, and not the "Seamless", Timeless", "Infinity for Eternity" that has always been.

I see the "Wave Front" as being like a shock wave that effects "Potential" as it heads out into "Infinity for Eternity" in all directions. I see no Expansion, only transition.

I do not see it as 'debris', but as distinct Bounded Infinity, better know as Substance. The "Wave Front" gave boundary to the seamless, creating individual core substance.

There can not be Motion without Boundary. Without Motion there can not be Time. The transition cause by the "Wave Front" giving infinitismal boundary, thus creating substance, gave rise to Time. The "Wave Front" is the beginning of Time to all that it Effects.

The Universe is Evolution. Evolution is "Substance for Time" driven by the inherent Action of "To be more then it was before". Motion is an Action and not an Entity, and just as there is Motion there is also the Action the drives Evolution.

I hope this helps, if not please ask more. As for the communication aspect, this is much more complex, and I have not been able to word it properly to my liking yet. I was not even satisfied with the first post here, but got tired of rewriting it, so I posted it as is.

To understand where I am coming from, you must understand that I preached to all that would listen for the first 35 years of my life, that Evolution was created out of the random interactions of Matter. But, one day I realized to myself, that this sounded illogical. It sounded illogical because, random interactions will always stay as random interactions, unless there is a need for there to be more. That need to me is the simple inherent Action given by the "Wave Front" in the very beginning. No Divine intervention, only one Action: "To be more then before".

[Graybeard]

I hope this helps, if not please ask more. As for the communication aspect, this is much more complex, and I have not been able to word it properly to my liking yet.

Yes ... thanks for the definition of terms. I know what you mean when you say it is a struggle to 'word' ideas correctly.

I see the photon as only carrying one binary bit of information. Much like a pixel.

I hope you don't mind a personal question a bit off thread ... lol ... I am a truck fan ... I rebuilt my own, second world war CMP gun tractor. V8, Four speed, Hi-lo 'crash' gearbox. Double clutch on every change. 1200 x 20" tyres. A Big truck.

What sort of truck do you drive ? or even better, a Pic ??

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

Potential is the one and only word that can not be argued with, because after all, there had to be Potential in the beginning, else we would not be here.

Yes, I totally agree, for "something" had to have been forever and so that "something" cannot be a something, for that stuff would be tied to time, making the kind of forever that could not have been, for it could not have already been competed (i.e. no beginning, but always was), and so there had to be Potential.

Why did it have to be? Well, it had to or else "Nothing" would have still been here, as nothing can ever come of [absolute] nothing.

Plus, things forever don't make sense for another reason: what would have dictated the amount of them? The where of them? The nature of them? The workability of them? The size of a fundamental thing? Etc.

One problem kind of remains: workability—why did the stuff produced by potential work so well from the fundamental stuff without foreseeing the whole future path of its combinations working well enough to creat stars, atoms, and life.

[austintorn@aol.com]

In other words, why didn't the substance produce from potential just fall flat, being inert or not having the great ability for recombining into more complex forms, etc.—the universal constants being just so within a small tolerance?

[Graybeard]

In other words, why didn't the substance produce from potential just fall flat, being inert or not having the great ability for recombining into more complex forms, etc.—the universal constants being just so within a small tolerance?

Hmmmmm ...... the word potential indicates the stored ability to perform work. If the potential is released work (of some description) must be the result .... hence no dissipating or 'falling flat'. The energy cannot disappear but must be used and restored as potential again ? The total amount must remain the same.

The laws of conservation ?

The outcome must be one of trillions possible. They must either all be realised, or the one that is realised is the one we got .... As we are inside the 'realisation' our views about its seeming impossibility, or our incredible luck, can only be subjective (I think ?)

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

True, Greg, that any life form like us appearing anywhere, that is, with to ability to look back, etc., would have to see that there was incredible luck since otherwise we wouldn't even be here to wonder about it, so, it should be expected with no surprise at all that everything before us worked out fine. For example, if the asteroids had wiped out all life, then we wouldn't be here (yet) or perhaps never.

It's just that Potential can't really be energy, since that exists as real and is same as mass which is the same as something already real-ized. The single way out for any such energy or quarks to have always existed and worked out is like that any arbitrary tiny thing could very well recombine and produce complexity or that we were just lucky that some single specific thing could work, but we then still have the problem of how actual existing things could be (after we really got down to the smallest thing) here or made when it was not ever made, having been here forever, plus, why didn't it all wear out and why was there just a certain amount of it and the others whys… like perhaps a large amount of initial stuff was needed to make us possible (but then what determined this necessary amount if energy/stuff was around forever and what if there had just been a tiny amount of the forever stuff?).

So, Potential is thought to be some kind of 3rd way that is neither something nor nothing. The fact that nothing could become of nothing at least proves that something had to be, giving a boost to us knowing for sure that there is a way somehow for material to get made from a Potential.

The Potential is outside of all physical laws that accompanied existence since that's when they were made too. Now, saying all this does not mean it's true, but just means that this seems to be the position where current information is pushing us, as neither nothing nor forever stuff seems possible.

It's all rather mind boggling, but yet another proof that we can't be expected to know anything about the origin of the universe—and so can't be blamed for just enjoying life as is, like not fearing God's punishment. Even if that's all that comes out of this thinking, it's still a major point.

This is why some say that existence is more important than the essence of whence it came, that existence "precedes" essence.

We are thrust into life, having never asked to be here, not knowing anything but what we see, but we must deal with it. So it's like that there could be no problem with just being and enjoying.

Potential is like that the next higher dimension is the possibility of all universes, this being a "brute force" method of producing some universes that work out.

See the Multiverse thread for a more extensive list of the lucky happenings…

[Graybeard]

True, Greg, that any life form like us appearing anywhere, that is, with to ability to look back, etc., would have to see that there was incredible luck since otherwise we wouldn't even be here to wonder about it, so, it should be expected with no surprise at all that everything before us worked out fine.

Great example ... wish I had thought of it ... the fact that we can review our past is proof that no matter how low the probability of it happening the way it happened ... It happened ... do you charge for this sort of wisdom Austin ... or can I have this one on account ?? ... lol

It's just that Potential can't really be energy, since that exists as real and is same as mass which is the same as something already real-ized. ........


So, Potential is thought to be some kind of 3rd way that is neither something nor nothing. The fact that nothing could become of nothing at least proves that something had to be, giving a boost to us knowing for sure that there is a way somehow for material to get made from a Potential.

Perhaps I'm reading you wrong, or even Allen wrong ... but try this:

If you pick a rock up from the ground, where it was happily sunbasking and storing its energy as a non-zero value, and place it on your picnic table .... it has a higher value of energy ... its potential energy has increased. Admittedly you lost energy in lifting it up, the equal that it gained.

But from the rocks point of view, NOTHING has changed. Its new location means it now has more potential. It got it thru motion ... only while it was in motion could it gain more potential.

But the rock is still a rock ... weighs the same, looks the same, tastes the same .... Why not our universe, its in motion ... it always had potential, nothing really changed ??

Don't know if this explanation makes sense to anyone but me ...... lol

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

Greg, your potential example makes sense and could probably be true in the universal sense that we just don't know enough about yet [or never will] and so we may be overdoing this more grandiose Potential stuff.

Admittedly, we are making stuff up completely. Although trying to be like Sherlock Homes and thus pushing ourselves in some counter intuitive direction due to some perceived constraints about nothing and forever, these kinds of theories are still, at the end of the day, complete garbage… except for some facts like that some kind of things or "to-be-things" has to always have been around.

I know that Nobody claimed that all was from nothing, but it really turned out that his nothing was not an absolute nothing but had some potential in it to differentiate itself…

All in all, as a side effect of all this, we are at least showing that all theories of the origin of the universe are garbage, being made up, since the origin is long gone and isn't telling. This alone is a major insight because it shows that one could never be expected to know the origin and get punished for this not knowing, which also makes ideas irrelevant such as we have to remove ego, that life is a test, that there are souls, etc.