hi pat

I thought it should have a "real" substance as well and was not sure, I had never realized the need of a non moving fundamental substance
I think that as you go very deep inside an atom, the space that has been compressed with motion still there will have the strength probably be close to that of a black hole (pound for pound) and whatever strange effects are present in a black hole will be present in an atom deep inside
as we work our way out of an atom we will have space folding all the way out like that of the black hole
... so I believe particles like that exist but did the pressure of space folding and motion create them at the beginning?
it could be the other way around however I still see them as motion being encapsulated by space.
