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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    More evidence of the connective 'language' of communication and co-operation in the cosmos"...

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    Abbasi saw an unusual pattern when she looked at a "skymap" of the relative intensity of cosmic rays directed toward the Earth's Southern Hemisphere, with an excess of cosmic rays detected in one part of the sky and a deficit in another. A similar lopsidedness, called "anisotropy," has been seen from the Northern Hemisphere by previous experiments, she says, but its source is still a mystery. "At the beginning, we didn't know what to expect. To see this anisotropy extending to the Southern Hemisphere sky is an additional piece of the puzzle around this enigmatic effect -- whether it's due to the magnetic field surrounding us or to the effect of a nearby supernova remnant, we don't know"...

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    "That's what's unique about this whole story: you need Titan, you need Enceladus, and you need the magnetosphere," Sittler told SPACE.com.

    Furthermore, the fullerene hydrocarbons form some of the building blocks of more complex compounds, Sittler said. When radiated by highly energetic cosmic rays, the oxygen immersed in these molecules can produce amino acids, the foundation of pre-biological chemistry.

    ...Since nearly all cosmic signals are influenced by the interstellar magnetic fields, a better overall picture of these fields would aid a large range of physics and astronomy studies, she says, adding that their newly reported findings rule out some proposed theories about the source of the Northern Hemisphere anisotropy.
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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    Hi again, Leskey.

    I remembered reading an article regarding that the Earth may not have originated from the Milky Way galaxy, but from another smaller galaxy that's more like a spiraled thread passing through the Milky Way axis. I'm not certain if you were the one that posted that article, but your post here reminded me of it.

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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

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    Hi again, Leskey.

    I remembered reading an article regarding that the Earth may not have originated from the Milky Way galaxy, but from another smaller galaxy that's more like a spiraled thread passing through the Milky Way axis. I'm not certain if you were the one that posted that article, but your post here reminded me of it.
    Hi, Steve. I don't recall posting that article, but thanks for the info.

    As usual, my posting is sporaditc at best. I've been journeying through language and have travelled far from home. I'm not sure anyone would want to follow my journey - LOL!

    Anyhow, for now: sprial threads and lattices...I hope you find the next post of interest...
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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    ANISOTROPY:

    : exhibiting properties with different values when measured in different directions <an anisotropic crystal>

    VALUE:

    Etymology: Middle English, worth, high quality, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *valuta, from feminine of *valutus, past participle of Latin valēre to be of worth, be strong — more at wield

    3 : relative worth, utility, or importance
    4 : a numerical quantity that is assigned or is determined by calculation or measurement
    5 : the relative duration of a musical note
    6 a : relative lightness or darkness of a color : luminosity b : the relation of one part in a picture to another with respect to lightness and darkness
    7 : something (as a principle or quality) intrinsically valuable or desirable

    WEILD:

    Etymology: Middle English welden to control, from Old English wieldan; akin to Old High German waltan to rule, Latin valēre to be strong, be worth
    Date: before 12th century
    1 chiefly dialect : to deal successfully with : manage
    2 : to handle (as a tool) especially effectively
    3 a : to exert one's authority by means of b : have at one's command or disposal

    LUMINOSITY:
    1 a : the quality or state of being luminous b : something luminous
    2 a : the relative quantity of light b : relative brightness of something
    3 : the relative quantity of radiation emitted by a celestial source (as a star)

    LUMINOUS:

    1 a : emitting or reflecting usually steady, suffused, or glowing light b : of or relating to light or to luminous flux
    2 : bathed in or exposed to steady light
    3 : clear, enlightening
    4 : shining, illustrioussynonyms see bright

    MANAGE:

    Etymology: Italian maneggiare, from mano hand, from Latin manus
    Date: 1561
    transitive verb
    1 : to handle or direct with a degree of skill: as a : to make and keep compliant b : to treat with care : husbandc : to exercise executive, administrative, and supervisory direction of
    2 : to work upon or try to alter for a purpose
    3 : to succeed in accomplishing : contrive
    4 : to direct the professional career of
    intransitive verb
    1 a : to direct or carry on business or affairs; also : to direct a baseball team b : to admit of being carried on
    2 : to achieve one's purpose
    synonyms see conduct

    HUSBAND:

    Etymology: Middle English husbonde, from Old English hūsbonda master of a house, from Old Norse hūsbōndi, from hūs house + bōndi householder; akin to Old Norse būa to inhabit; akin to Old English būan to dwell — more at bower
    Date: 13th century
    1 : a male partner in a marriage
    2 British : manager, steward
    3 : a frugal manager

    Occam' s razor?

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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    .../CONT.

    BOWER:
    Etymology: Middle English bour dwelling, from Old English būr; akin to Old English & Old High German būan to dwell, Old English bēon to be — more at be
    Date: before 12th century
    1 : an attractive dwelling or retreat
    2 : a lady's private apartment in a medieval hall or castle
    3 : a shelter (as in a garden) made with tree boughs or vines twined together : arbor

    ARBOR:
    : a shelter of vines or branches or of latticework covered with climbing shrubs or vines

    LATTICEWORK:
    : a lattice or work made of lattices

    LATTICE:
    1 b : a network or design resembling a lattice
    2 : a regular geometrical arrangement of points or objects over an area or in space; specifically : the arrangement of atoms in a crystal
    3 : a mathematical set that has some elements ordered and that is such that for any two elements there exists a greatest element in the subset of all elements less than or equal to both and a least element in the subset of all elements greater than or equal to both


    BE:
    Etymology: Middle English, from Old English bēon; akin to Old High German bim am, Latin fui I have been, futurus about to be, fieri to become, be done, Greek phynai to be born, be by nature, phyein to produce
    Date: before 12th century
    intransitive verb 1 a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as :symbolize b : to have identity with c : to constitute the same class as d : to have a specified qualification or characterization —used regularly in senses 1a through 1e as the copula of simple predication
    2 a : to have an objective existence : have reality or actuality : live b : to have, maintain, or occupy a place, situation, or position c : to remain unmolested, undisturbed, or uninterrupted —used only in infinitive form d : to take place : occur e : to come or go f archaic : belong, befallverbal auxiliary 1 —used with the past participle of transitive verbs as a passive-voice auxiliary
    2 —used as the auxiliary of the present participle in progressive tenses expressing continuous action
    3 —used with the past participle of some intransitive verbs as an auxiliary forming archaic perfect tenses
    4 —used with the infinitive with to to express futurity, arrangement in advance, or obligation


    SYMBOL:
    Etymology: in sense 1, from Late Latin symbolum, from Late Greek symbolon, from Greek, token, sign; in other senses from Latin symbolum token, sign, symbol, from Greek symbolon, literally, token of identity verified by comparing its other half, from symballein to throw together, compare, from syn- + ballein to throw — more at devil
    Date: 15th century
    1 : an authoritative summary of faith or doctrine : creed
    2 : something that stands for or suggests something else by reason of relationship, association, convention, or accidental resemblance; especially : a visible sign of something invisible
    3 : an arbitrary or conventional sign used in writing or printing relating to a particular field to represent operations, quantities, elements, relations, or qualities
    4 : an object or act representing something in the unconscious mind that has been repressed
    5 : an act, sound, or object having cultural significance and the capacity to excite or objectify a response

    PREDICATE:
    1 a : something that is affirmed or denied of the subject in a proposition in logic b : a term designating a property or relation
    2 : the part of a sentence or clause that expresses what is said of the subject and that usually consists of a verb with or without objects, complements, or adverbial modifiers

    DESIGNATION:
    1 : the act of indicating or identifying
    2 : appointment to or selection for an office, post, or service
    3 : a distinguishing name, sign, or title
    4 : the relation between a sign and the thing signified

    DESIGNATE:
    : chosen but not yet installed

    'Sign's and wonders...

    The point in continually relating comprehensive meaning to modern day language is to illustrate that comprehension of fulsome meaning is lacking today. It is possible to concede that ignorant interpretation of ancient texts can readily construe a once pre-existing or innate logic of scientific(?) understanding as subjective/superstitous fairy-stories...DEVILISH INDEED!
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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    We're supposedly at the intersection of two galaxies, the "Sagitarius Dwarf galaxy" and meeting up with with a bigger brother/sister - the Milky Way.

    http://viewzone2.com/milkywayx.html




    Quote Originally Posted by Leskey
    'Sign's and wonders...

    The point in continually relating comprehensive meaning to modern day language is to illustrate that comprehension of fulsome meaning is lacking today. It is possible to concede that ignorant interpretation of ancient texts can readily construe a once pre-existing or innate logic of scientific(?) understanding as subjective/superstitous fairy-stories...DEVILISH INDEED!


    Something else, with specific regard to the evolution of people and language - it could be that people literally perceived things differently in the past and that senses and thoughts tended to differ and, as you say, that words or expressions that might not be currently taken very literally were written more literally, though from a different perspective in terms of genetic, cultural and word interpretation.

    I've been trying more to understand what someone else might mean instead what my reflexive interpretation might be and look for a broader range of possible assumptions and perspectives they might be using to make some statement and yes, sometimes it seems words are used quite literally in contexts I would normally not have assumed someone to be using if I hadn't been paying attention. I can't think of many examples off hand, but I know there have been many expressions I've heard in the past that I took as things that were meant only figuratively and with little truth or substance to them, but I've noticed times when, if the statements are taken rather literally ... interestingly enough they can end up fitting together in that manner.

    ... what can I say for certain? Well, at a minimum, life is more enjoyable with all the additional scenery.

    I admit I can't follow very well which direction you're heading with your posts, so I'll wait for a few extras cue/clues, though it's a bit fun to try to guess

    Until next time,
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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    Thanks again, Steve. It's a lonely road to even mention the B-word...it can bring out the worst in people - some people love to heckle, I love a pun !

    I was aware of the changes occurring in our entire solar system. It's a major reason for my skepticism regarding the impact of human activity upon "Global Warming" and/or "Climate Change."

    Also, from your link:

    The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.

    "After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system." Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy?

    I found a fascinating correlation with the following quotes:

    ISAIAH 34 4:

    All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

    REVELATION 6 14:

    The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

    The heavens are mentioned 551 times in the Bible, with numerous other quotes relating to stars, moons, constellations, "powers" a "pirincipalities"...

    EPHESIANS 6 12:

    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the (principalities) rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    ORIGINALGREEK:

    hotiouk estin (3SPAI) hemin e pale prosaimakaisarka,alla pros tasarchas, pros tas exousias, pros touskosmokratoras touskotoustoutou,prosta pneumatika tesponerias en tois epouraniois.


    GREEK MORE ACCURATELY TRANSLATED INTO MODERN ENGLISH:

    because our wrestling is not against blood and flesh, but against the principalities, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against spirit forces of perniciousness in the heavenly places.

    CONT...
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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    /CONT...

    PRINCIPALITY:

    Date: 14th century
    1 a : the state, office, or authority of a prince b : the position or responsibilities of a principal (as of a school)
    2 : the territory or jurisdiction of a prince : the country that gives title to a prince
    3 plural : an order of angels — see celestial hierarchy

    PERNICIOUS:
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin perniciosus, from pernicies destruction, from per- + nec-, nex violent death — more at noxious
    Date: 15th century
    1 : highly injurious or destructive : deadly
    2 archaic : wicked
    — per·ni·cious·ly adverb
    — per·ni·cious·ness noun
    synonyms pernicious, baneful, noxious, deleterious, detrimental mean exceedingly harmful. pernicious implies irreparable harm done through evil or insidious corrupting or undermining. baneful implies injury through poisoning or destroying. noxious applies to what is both offensive and injurious to the health of a body or mind. deleterious applies to what has an often unsuspected harmful effect. detrimental implies obvious harmfulness to something specified.

    ARCHE:

    that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause

    Also, the Greek "archas" or "archos" could in this context refer to "masters" of the cosmos, or relate to "cosmic spheres of influence" on a grand scale, ie active galactic neuclei, AGN. Just as "pneumatica" refers to a whole discipline of scientific study:

    READ MORE HERE:

    Hero (or Heron) of Alexandria (Greek: Ἥρων ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς) (c. 10–70 AD) was an ancient Greek mathematician who was a resident of a Roman province (Ptolemaic Egypt); he was also an engineer who was active in his native city of Alexandria. He is considered the greatest experimenter of antiquity[1] and his work is representative of the Hellenistic scientific tradition.

    Hero published a well recognized description of a steam-powered device called an aeolipile (hence sometimes called a "Hero engine"). Among his most famous inventions was a windwheel, constituting the earliest instance of wind harnessing on land.He is said to have been a follower of the Atomists. Some of his ideas were derived from the works of Ctesibius...

    Pneumatica, a description of machines working on air, steam or waterpressure, including the hydraulis or water organ.

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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    As previously mentioned, "signs and wonders"...I followed the links a little further, and had to "wonder" if this commentary isn't a "sign" of who is stupid:

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    It is not known whether the aeolipile was put to practical use as an 'engine' in ancient times. Hero's drawing shows a stand-alone device, and was presumably intended as a temple 'wonder', like many of the other devices described in Pneumatica.

    Vitruvius, on the other hand, mentions use of the aeolipile for demonstrating the physical properties of the weather. He describes the aeolipile as

    ...a scientific invention [to] discover a divine truth lurking in the laws of the heavens.

    After describing the device's construction (see above) he concludes:

    ...Thus from this slight and very short experiment we may understand and judge of the mighty and wonderful laws of the heavens and the nature of winds.
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    Re: An innate concept of "everything"

    Quote Originally Posted by leskey
    IMHO, true understanding will only be found through unbiased, all-encompassing, cross-disciplinary communication and co-operation.


    I agree, or at least the greatest understanding is found in that manner. Something that's not particularly easy or simple ... but that may have never been the intent

    A few more things have been coming together for me - absolute truth is unchanging, neither creative nor destructive. A persistent memory is also unchanging - a fact without cause. Notice that for anything timeless and unchanging, there is no need or reason to be constructed for why they exist as they are. They simply exist. Anything derived within time or via. change has no ability to alter that by which this time or change exists. Though specific moments or changes can be perceived and these can be transient, the ability for those changes to exist is not itself subject to its own alterations.

    Basically, things exist and they require no cause, nor is there a purpose for their explanation. We begin with simple timeless fact, though within time and in terms of change, there is no manner to represent such timeless facts.

    In effect, there is never fundamentally a conflict, nothing needs to be anything other than what it is, nor is change fundamentally possible to these, though changes can be constructed and perceived, but these are not specifically truths except regarding the properties of change (and perceptions by which change is experienced).

    To analogize this, if we take absolute truth as a static structure - it's a singularity. These are instantly and forever related - there is nothing to solve or figure out, nor any conflict regarding this. In effect it describes all properties of oneself.

    Time is also one of these properties and allows the selection of a subset of capabilities to be views. The specific set to be observed is a function of what perceptions are employed in the observation, or we could say that it is a selection of which subset of absolute truths to utilize for an experience.

    If all truths are used (which is the absolute truth) - it's a timeless singularity - it has no extent, dimension or degrees of freedom in time and wouldn't have a specific perceptual experience, except to whatever extent oneself has such specifics.

    If we remove one of these timeless properties from experience, then there is a degree of freedom to witness things that ... aren't specifically true or reality in an absolute sense. For example, there is an absolute and unchanging truth in the capability of experiencing daytime. There is also the same regarding night as well as thirst and refreshment etc. None of these are specifically true or reality in isolation - it is not true, in absolute sense that day is true, nor night, nor 5 etc.

    Now when we come to desires, those are individual - individuals are also part of that timeless absolute, though desires are individual and not necessarily for truth. There can be many things that exist that individuals have no desire for such as disease and war etc., but these exist nonetheless and ultimately do no conflict with the existence of everything else - time is an experience that is not specifically true or reality as it is, but a manner of revealing truths in isolation in order that individual selections and preferences can be made - it's a product of conflicted desires for illogic and impossibilities on an absolute sense. Someone might enjoy a sunny day, but they also enjoy trees that grow - if it was forever sunny, trees would not be as they are, and someone else might enjoy a walk in cool evening but these states can't exist simultaneously, everywhere and forever, and satisfy all of these.

    The manner in which life proceeds is largely not individually controlled, but a collective exploration of desires - it's process of growth via. experience and self-recognition/knowledge. It's about discovering how to fit even the illogical and impossible into "the big picture" and it is simply driven by desires.

    Time can be controlled within a single dimension - this is fundamentally self-control. When time is determined by multiple simultaneous actions, it gains more dimensions of experience, but only a single dimension is individually controllable. If we remove enough truths - experiences can become a conflicted knot of spaghetti that makes no sense and becomes incomprehensible - there's little of any truth to discover and ones control is limited. It's a form of living driven by multiple conflicted desires and the uncontrolled/"random" die rolls of life. It's an informational etropy and necessary component for time to be experienced, but at its extreme.

    Moving toward the other side of the spectrum, we have a very delicately balanced and controllable 1-D "dance" in time ("the straight and narrow" - "fitting through the eye of a needle" ), in which events are selected and predetermined - we could say that the "density of growth/entrophy" in time is less, but the intent of change is not to satisfy logic, but desires and so though time requires some growth to exist, there is no specific reason why this cannot be altered, and a reduction in this requires a more efficient use of information which gives the general desire for intelligence and conservation - a reduction in the requirement for "raw" and uncontrolled components of experience, determined by other sources, to instead become a greater self sufficient, self contained and controlled manner of living (there are many common statements often considered to reflect wisdom that reflect these principles as well).

    In effect, everything has already been "solved" perfectly and there's nothing to do in that respect - it forever exists. Life is about the desire to do the impossible also and learning how to fit that in perfectly with the rest The only way to do this it to remove all the unknowns from time and find a perfect "pathway" (a deterministic 1-D course - a logical program) that's ones own figurative stairway to heaven - and there are a ton of ways to meander and smell the roses along the way.

    Why is it like that? Well, there apparently exists a desire to do the impossible and so we're doing it - and in that sense, there are no rules except whatever one desires there to be. Maybe we're not actually doing the impossible from some perspective, but instead approaching it in the limit - I do recommend checking out the 1-D solution for time ... it looks quite promising

    I'm going to hazard a guess that we perceive time uni-directionally, whereas physical laws are (at least generally) informationally conserving and bi-directional.

    Consider this scenario - if you had to pass a time line through these two experiences - being hot and thirsty and drinking a cool refreshment, which side would you thread it? Logic doesn't have any preferences - we can go either way, ah, but one way is simply more fun and who cares about the rules?! =) Or similarly, would one rather go from a state of insecurity and constriction etc. to a state of freedom and enjoyment or visa versa? All I can say is that I like the "things become beautiful" path and I assume we're all on a similar timeline in that respect.

    Why would anything have had to include the rest? Well if it has to include "everything" then we can't leave anything out (otherwise we get the randomness and uncontrolled version) ... I think there might be a nice "upgrade" to this inherently linear algorithm though with a bit of recycling and adding new dimensions of perception, replaying a few particularly great parts in new contexts etc. ... could be a fun direction to explore also - don't want to miss anything. Everything (including excess) in moderation

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