An innate concept of "everything"

[austintorn@aol.com]

used to mark whole generations and whole eras and ages.....


Yes, naturally, that would indeed be 'spirit', even begun and catching on from just one personality, as you say.

Churchill's legacy was like 'never surrender' [to evil].

Early Sapiens' was 'I will survive'.

[leskey]

Leskey, wonderful thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by melanie
It's easy to understand that language -- the spoken word -- has a vibration.
Well, written words also have a vibration. Anything in existence has a vibration."

"Beautiful words have beautiful, clear vibrations.
But negative words put out ugly, incoherent vibrations which do not form clusters.
Language is not something artificial, but rather is something that exists naturally.
I believe that language is created by nature."
Masaru Emoto

How do you know beautiful words from negative words? I understand the vibration part (I think) ...on toe quest there are many misunderstandings based on words. If the vibration is clear it shouldn't matter what the word is...that's partly why it's so hard writing on a forum (for me anyway)...I can't rely solely on words.

Hi, racecar.

Generally, in a forum, it takes a little while to understand the intent of the author. I haven't addressed all of your question here, but will attempt to do so over a couple of posts.

Words have their origin in sounds which are logically appropriate to convey a message. Fredrick has raised this similarity in the sounds of words, which have similar meanings across a range of languages, in the "An Idea" thread.

The words Phrase and Phase not only sound similar, but also share some commonality of meaning. They both convey a distinguishable aspect or expression in a characteristic manner or, a pattern. In addition both words relate specifically to a function of vibration; a phrase can refer to the duration of a musical thought with an harmonic completion, while phase can refer to the advancement a circular or harmonic motion.

If, as I've been reminded many times at ToeE Quest, our unseen thought processes are no more than the result of the various electro-magnetic vibrations, then it is those vibrations that we seek to appropriately convey when we interpret them as speech. To achieve this, it's not only the words, but also the phrasing of the words, that we use with intent to convey our thoughts. In physical verbal communication, we have the added tool of vibratory oration (voice) reaching the vibratory aural receiver (ear) which enables tone to convey intent. To relate this back to physics, if a letter is a very small particle, then a word is a bonding of particles to form a larger object, groups of words like groups of objects form a larger community of objects gathered together with intent (ie formulated to achieve a goal), etc. The overall message then, is the achievement of the community goal - the intepretation of the combined vibratory input of consciousness, as output (intent/purpose/volition/meaning).

Here, at ToE Quest, there is only the written word, coupled with the personal perception from experience, of the individual conveying the message. Whilst, brevity can be construed as being concise, it can also be intepreted as being curt, abrupt or sharp; while prolixity (verbosity), depending upon content, can be interpreted as being unreasonable and tedious, imparting a lack of consideration for the reader.

So, there is an hierachy of vibration: letters have an invdividual, abstract vibration which combine into words with object spectific vibration, which combine into phrases, sentences, etc., which in turn convey intent. Those invisible vibrations in our heads certainly have innate ways of making themselves known, and sometimes overwriting intent through intepretation or misinterpretation alone. Language is a product of nature which is the means conveying our own nature.

I hope this has made it a little clearer...

[SB_UK]

hiya -

- language.

---[1]---
Any idea which I do not understand and which looks as though it contains sense
(the feeling is based on connections suggested by words used) -
- sends me into dissect mode to 'connect the dots'.

The mind as 'linkin' park'.

I am trying to describe the mind as a map to which we add detail by connecting knowledge to pre-existing knowledge.

The basis of learning (then) - to use observation to build a structure of mind.

---[2]---
The basis to language - to receive and transmit information such that the individual mind can build appropriately (in its own time) 'sequentially'.

So - a rock which is rolling down a hill (must roll down a hill) and which must never lose contact with the ground.
A hill which becomes exponentially steeper as it progresses to trough -
- a series of fixed obstacles scattered along the path which the rock must take.

We need to apply just the correct amount of force to overcome the obstacles -
- where the pull downwards increases (as the rock descends)
as though
*must*
the 'elegance' of the force increase to tip the rock over impediment (such that the rock does not fly off down to some local trap which litters the rock's route down).

---[3]---
The drive to build the mind as the same basic desire which drives 'anything' to 'any' other place -
- an itch which must be scratched.

The motion down (the hill) as the definition of a defined journey -
- from birth to 'enlightened' state (a definition of the neural basis to wisdom).

---[4]---
Vibrations
_________

- resonance.

Resonance transfer.

If we imagine a process for dissipation of energy -
imagine

---(i)----
[energy]--->---

---(ii)---
[((())) energy ((()))]--->---
[energy]--->---|
[energy]--->---v
[energy]--->---powering new structures to develop

---(iii)---
((((()))))((((())))) --->---
[energy]--->---|
[energy]--->---v
[energy]--->---eg (())

and then sustaining them with resonant transfer


~that is ~

---(ii)--- growth and ---(iii)--- maintenance

~*~

Resonant transfer leads us to the importance of vibration -
where vibration naturally ties us into cycle, oscillation and pulsatility.

~*~

Vibration
________

---(a)---
'om' - a kinda' drone - similar to the noise which a swarm of bees make.

---(b)---
The noise of a dog or cat purring.

---(c)---
A vowel within words
- to exhale between inhalations.

Imagine lines of magnetism entering our lungs -
air must (to contain chemical elements) - represent a fine magnetic matrix.
Lines of magnetism which on inhalation and exhalation result in 'opposite effects' -
everted states -
- with the 'space between inhalation and exhalation representing' a 'local black hole' into which our mind falls (as we breathe).

---(d)---
Extant 'click' languages (in Africa)

~*~

Language requires transmission and reception where transmission and reception lead to reciprocal benefits to receiver and transmitter.

The receiver is driven to grow and then is maintained by transmitted energy -
- the line (of communication) between transmitter and receiver ensures that the transmiter (which must shed its energy) -
- sheds its energy.

Image: A log burns best when in a contextual environment of a certain level of oxygen -
or wind -
reduce the wind flow over a log and the fire will burn less efficiently.

~*~

Hiya Leskey -


any ideas which attract (for development in context of your thread) ?

[SB_UK]

How do you know beautiful words from negative words?

Any words from a mind in reply to another idea from a mind which references a 'model' (of reality) which is inferior (of reality).

It is critically important to see that the model within the mind is inferior and *not* the mind and *especially* not the individual.

The individual can learn - if the individual sees that the alternate model is better (more explanatory over reality) -
- however if the individual feels that either his own mind or person (mind:body duality) is being attacked -
then the defensive reaction is elicited

defensive reaction -> fear -> anger -> irrational unreasoned reprisal.

Communication becomes futile when the emotional response is recruited
(page 48 of at@ao's book (I think)).

How do you know beautiful words from negative words?

Any statement if taken to mean that the speaker is correct and another is wrong.

Violent words which cause division of people.

Division (organization) of ideas is ~fine~
- once again though - we run into problems if our own mental classification of
~for instance~
Western and Eastern as subdivisions of religion

- as factual subdivisions of ~eg~ religion
make it back into the physical world -

- division in the physical world leads to -ism

{sexism, racism}

- the higher drive to make sense of the world around us 'bleeds back' into our former state where division on the basis of physical characteristic was the basis for our evolutionary development (genomic evolution).

The attraction which mankind has for the physical relationship between the rich and the powerful
- is a sign amongst the rich and powerful and amongst those who watch on (with interest) -

of their lower animal urges reigning over their minds.

Being human is about reaching a stage in development where there are no rich$ and powerful$$ people, where people do not expect others to watch on
- where people do not want to watch on as others form into pairs.

Our current world is shocking for the predominance of animal behaviours.

The size of his n' her breasts 're of 'less than' interest to man - any who do not {truly,deeply} believe this to be true will (no matter how guarded) betray themselves (eventually) -
by turn of words.

Words convey meaning based on mind of listener -
it's possible for the more intelligent individual to see past the pretences of the 'politician' -
- since the greater intelligence sees meaning in the lesser mind - which the lesser mind (which speaks) simply cannot.

The basis then to
'negative words' -
a close-minded reflection of reality which cannot be opened -
- pain results in listener -
- greater minds driven recluse.

[austintorn@aol.com]

A rolling stone gathers no moss of 'loss'…

…Or else it is a really old looking guy from way back who 'can't get no satisfaction', but really does from the song writing and the performances.

[SB_UK]

a ~recent post~ linking

sound
resonance
resonant transfer
[water
:: noting :: that resonance can drive structures within water to form.
water]
diamagetism
magnetism
electro
:: noting :: that diamagenetism of water represents the same basic duality with magnetism as 'electro' -
- water is forced into motion by magnetic fields (regardless).

[SB_UK]

A rolling stone gathers no moss of 'loss'…

…Or else it is a really old looking guy from way back who 'can't get no satisfaction', but really does from the song writing and the performances.

If I understand exactly what you mean and understand that you know exactly what I mean -
- and if there's no more

then we have arrived.

~*~

If we've arrived why does nothing much (in the outside world) appear to have changed.

~*~

There's a discrepancy between the world within and the world without -
- where the world without is just paperwork -

the urge to document -

'mechanism and not stamp-collecting as science'
Rutherford ~paraphrase~

where the mind shifts from stamp-collecting (data farming) to mechanism (structuring) -

to structured (now-ish).

~*~

However one never would know, at least from examining the behaviour of the people whose exploits are described in the newspaper.

Politician corruption has been our 'lead' (in the UK) -
- for a while now.

[SB_UK]

... ... but really does ... ...

... ... until the response 'Haven't I heard that idea 'some place' before?' deafens; at which point { .../... silence .../...}
- nothing to add -

since

~o~rollingstoned~o~

[austintorn@aol.com]

exploits are described in the newspaper

I see lately in the newspaper that Pakistan is very intensely warring against the Taliban who swept into the Swat Valley and geared up and resupplied during a 3-month truce.

I just put this here kind of randomly from seeing the word 'newspaper'. It's not so much, then, about corrupt politicians, but they could ever be involved in this or anything that goes on.

[SB_UK]

political 'left versus right'

Afghan versus PakistanI
geographical 'left versus right'

commonality
man:

self-righteousness

~*~

commonality
man: self-righteous need for either left or right *not* both -

Tina>>> 'concept of good and evil' as root of all evil.

Immediately pre-duality duals as 'evil' to dualities just a little ahead (in catalytic process).