An innate concept of "everything"

[leskey]

Hi, All.

I like the graphics, Mel. There's something there for everyone...especially our very own "jungle boy" .

Chaos: a state of things in which chance is supreme ; especially : the confused unorganized state of primordial matter before the creation of distinct forms

And, it's antonym:

Cosmos: an orderly harmonious systematic universe

As we continue to discover and understand more, it's reasonable to state that we are part of the latter. Our observations continue to reveal a cosmos governed by laws which are innate (ie. essential to it's nature). It is these laws which implement all natural processes and systems.

Science: "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena."

If evolution is the product of random mutation and chance selection, how is it scientific?

Language: a formal system of signs and symbols (as FORTRAN or a calculus in logic) including rules for the formation and transformation of admissible expressions

Furthermore, could it be denied that as a code, DNA is a language?

[Graybeard]

Science: "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena."

If evolution is the product of random mutation and chance selection, how is it scientific?

Evolution is a reality ?? The study of evolution is scientific !

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That is why the little monkey resembles man - a sign that he is of another generation of human beings who were only manikins, only little men - made of wood.

The Popul Vuh ---- told by the Quiches

cool bananas ... greg

[SB_UK]

'... it's reasonable to state that we are part of the latter.'
More simply structured would mimic {confused,unorganized} - when compared directly.
I don't believe that any part of 'all of' reality (whether accessible to the human mind or not) is unstructured.

'If evolution is the product of random mutation and chance selection, how is it scientific?'
A game in which we're told whether our guess is higher or lower than the number which 'God' has in mind;
a general tendency towards reaching a defined end-point.
'how is it scientific?'
A logic which 'God' has in mind -
- a logic which reveals and is fully exposed as we guess (and then arrive at) the number which has been set.
Scientific because there's 'sense' which we can use to guide our efforts.

'Furthermore, could it be denied that as a code, DNA is a language?'
Genes are communicated between male and female -
with a child product formed as hybrid.
The genome is a structure and as with all structures we've a start and an end-point.
The process can be vizualized in the phylogenetic tree of life -
where a classical tree (with bifurcations) can be used to present the evolution of gene from virus to man.

Ideas are communicated between 'male' and 'female' -
with a child product formed as hybrid.
The mind is a structure and as with all structures we've a start and an end-point.
The process can be vizualized in the knowledge tree (ontology) of reality -
where a classical tree (with bifurcations) can be used to present the evolution of logical model from simplest to fully explanatory scope.

The process resembles the image of a tree growing upon another (the crown of another) tree -
- follows this kinda' pattern
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...65/Kochsim.gif
where the pattern is of structure forming over a Moebius surface topology (ToEf::Antonio Lao).
http://news.independentminds.livejou...3004#t13473004

The human genome and human mind are no longer the basis for our evolution -
both have served their purpose -
though (and as observed with all products of evolutionary process) -
- there's a beginning and end -
where we're at the end.

Vedanta - the end of knowledge.

~30000 years ago
.
The Tree of Knowledge -> X -> The Tree of Life
... ... ... soon
.... .
The Tree of Knowledge ->> -> The Tree of Life

Aesop Rock
'None shall pass'

Chaos: a state of things in which chance is supreme ; especially : the confused unorganized state of primordial matter before the creation of distinct forms

And, it's antonym:

Cosmos: an orderly harmonious systematic universe

As we continue to discover and understand more, it's reasonable to state that we are part of the latter. Our observations continue to reveal a cosmos governed by laws which are innate (ie. essential to it's nature). It is these laws which implement all natural processes and systems.

Science: "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena."

If evolution is the product of random mutation and chance selection, how is it scientific?

Language: a formal system of signs and symbols (as FORTRAN or a calculus in logic) including rules for the formation and transformation of admissible expressions

Furthermore, could it be denied that as a code, DNA is a language?

[Mikal]

WHAT DARWIN DIDN'T KNOW

by Dr. Fazale Fuz' Rana

Life's Amazing Design
Researchers have traditionally maintained that hundreds of millions of years would be necessary for abiogenesis. They also claim that the first life to emerge would be extremely simple, evolving toward complexity.

Darwin embraced the protoplasmic theory-the idea that the cell consisted of only a wall surrounding a nucleus and a homogeneous, jellylike protoplasm. This understanding made early evolutionary explanations of abiogenesis plausible. Biologists and chemists easily envisioned chemical routes that could produce the single ingredient believed to form the cell's protoplasm.

By the end of the 19th century, however, this concept waned. With the discovery of enzymes in the cell's protoplasm capable of catalyzing a large collection of chemical reactions, scientists recognized protoplasm as a complex heterogeneous system.

During the last century, advances in biochemistry continue to affirm the complexity of life at a molecular level. Even the simplest bacterium requires nearly 2,000 different proteins in the "protoplasm" to exist as a living entity. Not only are the cell's chemical systems irreducibly complex, but they also display an extraordinary degree of order undergirded by an elegant, sophisticated logic.

Biochemists have also discovered that the salient characteristics of biochemical systems are identical to features immediately recognizable as the product of human designers. This close match logically compels the conclusion that life's most fundamental processes and structures stem from the work of an intelligent Agent.

Many of the proteins that operate in the cell function as molecular-level machines. And many bear a striking resemblance to man-made machines replete with drive shafts, camshafts, turbines, clamps, lever arms, bushings, stators and rotors.

Even atheists agree that life's chemical systems appear designed. The late Francis Crick, who shared the Nobel Prize for discovering the structure of DNA, cautioned in What Mad Pursuit that "biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." By all appearances, life's chemistry looks like the product of a Creator.

Because common experience teaches that information and codes always emanate from a mind, new discoveries about the information systems in the cell and the genetic code refute Darwin's theory while providing powerful evidence for the work of an intelligent Agent.

Necessary to give meaning to the information stored in DNA, the genetic code supplies rules used by the cell's machinery to make proteins that also harbor information. Additionally, biochemists have recently learned that these rules are optimally fine-tuned. Given the time scale for the origin of life, natural selection would have had to evaluate roughly 1055 codes per second to find the genetic code. On this basis alone, it couldn't have an evolutionary origin. There simply wasn't enough time for natural processes to stumble upon it.




Mikal

[everymansmedium]

The conceptual content behind a language is like a language itself. It represents an analogue reality behind a digital word sized units (such as "events"), and it combines them into assemblies with a syntactic structure.

The mind categorises matter into discreet things and continuous stuff, and it similarly categorises time into discreet events and continuous activities. The cognitive zoom lens allows us to count objects or events and allows us to zoom in even closer on what each one is made of; it also allows us to pan out in space and see a collection of objects as an aggregate and allows us to pan out in time and see a collection of events as an iteration.

Language is saturated with implicit metaphors like, events are objects, and time is space. Indeed time turns out to be a conceptual vehicle not just for time but for many kinds of states and circumstances. What does the concreteness of language say about human thought? Does it imply that even our wispiest concetps are represented in the mind as hunks of matter that we move around on a mental stage? Does it say that rival claims about the world can never be true or false but can only be alternative metaphors that frame a situation in different ways?

Words are tied to reality when their meanings depend on a speaker's commitments about the truth. Yet, there is a way in which words are tied to reality even more directly. This is not just about the facts about the world stored in a person's head, but how words are woven into the causal fabric of the world itself - the semantics of words.

The meanings of words are ultimately circular, each defined in terms of the others.

Words connect to our thoughts, our communities, our emotions, our relationships, and to reality itself. We are verbivores, a species that lives on words...

It's the above, quoted from Steven Pinker, that has prompted me to profer a ToE based on an analysis of the meaning of the words used to describe the fundamental force of our existence...

Hi Leskey:
Like the two lamp-stands of light that shed their light on all that can be observed by mankind, or the two witnesses of light that observe the light of knowledge that has been shed for the benefit of mankind’s education of this existence medium. Their must then be 2 Toe’s not just one. There is the representation of the numerical or digital understanding seen as a proof of the numbers and a proof of the testing. There is also the verbal description that may follow this first light. Maybe it will be the verbal depiction that comes first, then to be tested by the numbers, to show the validity of the words. But there will always be these two lamp-stands. This has the potential to be the site for the verbal lamp-stand. That will allow us to understand what it is that we find in the numbers and test in the physical.
Verbivores indeed!
John EMM.

[everymansmedium]

WHAT DARWIN DIDN'T KNOW

by Dr. Fazale Fuz' Rana

Life's Amazing Design
Researchers have traditionally maintained that hundreds of millions of years would be necessary for abiogenesis. They also claim that the first life to emerge would be extremely simple, evolving toward complexity.

Darwin embraced the protoplasmic theory-the idea that the cell consisted of only a wall surrounding a nucleus and a homogeneous, jellylike protoplasm. This understanding made early evolutionary explanations of abiogenesis plausible. Biologists and chemists easily envisioned chemical routes that could produce the single ingredient believed to form the cell's protoplasm.

By the end of the 19th century, however, this concept waned. With the discovery of enzymes in the cell's protoplasm capable of catalyzing a large collection of chemical reactions, scientists recognized protoplasm as a complex heterogeneous system.

During the last century, advances in biochemistry continue to affirm the complexity of life at a molecular level. Even the simplest bacterium requires nearly 2,000 different proteins in the "protoplasm" to exist as a living entity. Not only are the cell's chemical systems irreducibly complex, but they also display an extraordinary degree of order undergirded by an elegant, sophisticated logic.

Biochemists have also discovered that the salient characteristics of biochemical systems are identical to features immediately recognizable as the product of human designers. This close match logically compels the conclusion that life's most fundamental processes and structures stem from the work of an intelligent Agent.

Many of the proteins that operate in the cell function as molecular-level machines. And many bear a striking resemblance to man-made machines replete with drive shafts, camshafts, turbines, clamps, lever arms, bushings, stators and rotors.

Even atheists agree that life's chemical systems appear designed. The late Francis Crick, who shared the Nobel Prize for discovering the structure of DNA, cautioned in What Mad Pursuit that "biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." By all appearances, life's chemistry looks like the product of a Creator.

Because common experience teaches that information and codes always emanate from a mind, new discoveries about the information systems in the cell and the genetic code refute Darwin's theory while providing powerful evidence for the work of an intelligent Agent.

Necessary to give meaning to the information stored in DNA, the genetic code supplies rules used by the cell's machinery to make proteins that also harbor information. Additionally, biochemists have recently learned that these rules are optimally fine-tuned. Given the time scale for the origin of life, natural selection would have had to evaluate roughly 1055 codes per second to find the genetic code. On this basis alone, it couldn't have an evolutionary origin. There simply wasn't enough time for natural processes to stumble upon it.




Mikal

It would be another mistake to point at a document or doctrine that dictates anything beyond, "NOT AT RANDOM"

Even AE said God does not play dice. This means no more than, "NOT AT RANDOM"

That is all there is, there is no more. This is also to give to the divine what the divine has given to us. The free will to calculate what is the best way to create a long life for us and the best way to create what is.............. from the view of the divine. None are cast in stone for it is all alive and in motion.
Why do you think it is so hard to find the truth. It is always in motion as are we. If it is found and documented then it is no longer in motion as are things that are alive. The truth is to give unto the divine what the divine has given unto you. free will to CONTINUE TO MOVE AS IN LIFE. Not to be held stationary as it is in any document.
This is the document of no documentation.
John EMM

[Mikal]

It would be another mistake to point at a document or doctrine that dictates anything beyond, "NOT AT RANDOM"

Even AE said God does not play dice. This means no more than, "NOT AT RANDOM"

That is all there is, there is no more. This is also to give to the divine what the divine has given to us. The free will to calculate what is the best way to create a long life for us and the best way to create what is.............. from the view of the divine. None are cast in stone for it is all alive and in motion.
Why do you think it is so hard to find the truth. It is always in motion as are we. If it is found and documented then it is no longer in motion as are things that are alive. The truth is to give unto the divine what the divine has given unto you. free will to CONTINUE TO MOVE AS IN LIFE. Not to be held stationary as it is in any document.
This is the document of no documentation.
John EMM

The Truth is found in an internally experiential way....thats how I found it.....


Mikal

[leskey]

Hi, All.

Even in poetry, in which we force ourselves to be precise, both to get the message across and due to the constraints of the form, we might only get across a general interpretation of the ‘soul’ feelings. In fact this presentation of all that is possibly not so readily apprehended as truth is the very purpose of poetry. We translate the ‘soul’ thoughts and feelings into words and try to send them forth finely dressed for others to read.

Is this the end of it—the poetic words? Did we really write a successful poem? No, not necessarily, for the poem must induce the reader to then translate the words back to the depths of the soul feelings of its sometimes speechless mode. It is only then that one can say that one has written a total poem, that is, only if the reader’s soul is responsive to it.

OK, I accepted that challenge (I wonder if "the reader's soul is responsive to it?)...remember I'm a bit of a novice at this:

The Medium Within Ground Zero...

Here, there and everywhere, unconstrained
As chaos reigned
Supreme, until realizing a litany, light did shine
And drew the line
Back and forth from brightness to darkness.
Blinking back starkenss
Till, fully awake, excitement fluxed and glowed,
To ultimately explode!

With Awareness Comes Expression

Riding a Planck, wave-surfing an ink-dark void,
Exclamation employed
Punctuation; Swift violent journey from obscurity
Created the purity
Of aether's roiling, foam of swirls and oscillations,
The enigmatic implications
Still weaving the crest at speed; Much unfinished
And yet, undiminished.

Loop-de-loop In Plasmordial Soup

A glance behind, as bright sparks ignited the wake
To persist and propagate,
Incendiary brilliance flared; The multiple creations
Burgeoned inflations
Bloomed to attract, collide, entangle and coalesce,
Populating the emptiness;
Then, evidence the immense, spectacular vortices;
Synaptic relay to cortices.

Outward and onward, accumulating information
Combined with inflation
And intent, to impart long journey's record:
Be of one accord,
The abstract spinning symbols of rock attracted,
As light diffracted;
Cohesion and order of formations spherical,
Now waxed lyrical.

And so, in becoming attuned to the movement;
Room for improvement,
Leaving behind multitude dull, failed attempts;
Then, unlikely event!
Arriving at the one place of brilliant perfection;
In every connection
Frequency intensifies to seamless harmony,
Ordering the hegemony.

Architectural Vernacular and Instant Teleology

Finally, having discovered great capacity,
Beyond mere tenacity,
Behold! Every conception of life in instantaneity,
Naught in extraneity;,
All purpose is focussed upon this manifestation
Of ultimate creation.
The reflection of thought awoke, arose to share;
Drew first morning air...

[Graybeard]

Excellent !!! Mohan is gonna love this one ... lol

cool bananas ... greg

PS: Do I detect a slight sympathy for science ?

[austintorn@aol.com]

Fantastic poetry, Leskey, as well as a great and terrific description of chaos to now !!!

I can't say enough how fabuluous it is, and accurate, especially (but all of it is really so fine):

Riding a Planck, wave-surfing an ink-dark void,
Exclamation employed
Punctuation; Swift violent journey from obscurity
Created the purity
Of aether's roiling, foam of swirls and oscillations,
The enigmatic implications
Still weaving the crest at speed; Much unfinished
And yet, undiminished.

(and)

A glance behind, as bright sparks ignited the wake
To persist and propagate,
Incendiary brilliance flared; The multiple creations
Burgeoned inflations
Bloomed to attract, collide, entangle and coalesce,
Populating the emptiness;
Then, evidence the immense, spectacular vortices;
Synaptic relay to cortices.

Outward and onward, accumulating information
Combined with inflation
And intent, to impart long journey's record:
Be of one accord,
The abstract spinning symbols of rock attracted,
As light diffracted;
Cohesion and order of formations spherical,
Now waxed lyrical.

(Heck, I might just as well of quoted it all, since the beauty of truth shines forth in every line, touching on all aspects of the journey.)