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what do you mean when you right "potential energy"?
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Dave, I see what you're saying. I think I've been using MATTER incorrectly. I've put more thought into it and am thinking of renaming the galactic goo to Potential.

This would mean that at any point in space-time it has a potential of 1 to be something. As it is reformed into something that potential approaches (but never equals) 0. If it reached 0 then it would be stuck in that form. The closer that point reaches 0, the more "real" it is.

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I would have to say that from the right perspective the universe is still dimensionless.
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I would have to say that from the right perspective the universe is still dimensionless.
Can you develop-argumentize this thought? Its very curious that someone thinks that.
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Imagine that all which exists is a line. The two points that create the line are our universe and a different universe. Now imagine that the other universe diappears. Now imagine that the other universe never existed at all. All that's left is our universe as a single point. A sinlge point is dimensionless.

So that's what I meant when I said that from the right point of view the universe is dimensionless.
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what do you mean when you right "potential energy"?
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Potential energy in this case is the "Rest Mass Energy" of Einstein's energy equation.
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Dave, I see what you're saying. I think I've been using MATTER incorrectly. I've put more thought into it and am thinking of renaming the galactic goo to Potential.
Dustin;
You catch on very quickly. What you refer to as having "1" is what existed before the BB and is still equal to "1" now. I refer to it as "Absolute Motion" rather than giving it names like "vacuum energy", "goo", "Spacetime", or any other name. The only difference is that it is a property of "Matter" and not an independent entity.
Under your analysis, all structured matter has the value of "1" (aka Unity).
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Under your analysis, all structured matter has the value of "1" (aka Unity).
All things (energy,particles,etc...,not goo) would have a Potential value that approaches 0. The goo would have a Potential value of 1. What this means is that it (the goo) has unlimited potential to be something at that point in space-time. Once that point in space-time is restructured its Potential value is lowered according to the structure it takes. If a point in space-time actually achieves a Potential of 0 it will not be able to be changed as its potential to change has been eliminated.

I hope I'm using the correct terms.
space-time: a point in space (x,y,z) at time (t)

Why do you refer to it as "Absolute Motion"? I googled the term but that didn't really help.
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Imagine that all which exists is a line. The two points that create the line are our universe and a different universe. Now imagine that the other universe diappears. Now imagine that the other universe never existed at all. All that's left is our universe as a single point. A sinlge point is dimensionless.

So that's what I meant when I said that from the right point of view the universe is dimensionless.
first, all that exists isn't a line. Second, two points don't "create" a line, the points are the ends of the lines. Third, I don't believe in the non-logical auclidean asumption that many dimensionless points form a dimensional line. This is impossible. Neither a line can make a 2d object. or infinite 2d can make a 3d object.
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All things (energy,particles,etc...,not goo) would have a Potential value that approaches 0. The goo would have a Potential value of 1. What this means is that it (the goo) has unlimited potential to be something at that point in space-time. Once that point in space-time is restructured its Potential value is lowered according to the structure it takes. If a point in space-time actually achieves a Potential of 0 it will not be able to be changed as its potential to change has been eliminated.
Sorry dustin, this won't work. I can only conclude your level of physics is limited.
Don't give up; having a goal to prove a theory will help you learn better and faster.

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first, all that exists isn't a line. Second, two points don't "create" a line, the points are the ends of the lines. Third, I don't believe in the non-logical auclidean asumption that many dimensionless points form a dimensional line. This is impossible. Neither a line can make a 2d object. or infinite 2d can make a 3d object.
I said imagine that all that exists is a line. But you're right, all that exists isn't a line.

(When I use the word dimension I mean measurable quantities such as length, width, and depth. If that is an inaccurate definition you should let me know.)

My reasoning for how the universe could be dimensionless relies on the point of view that the universe exists as a singularity, there is nothing outside of it. If one was able to try to measure it from the "outside", it would have no dimensions because measurement is a comparative operation and there would be nothing to compare it to.
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