The Dream

[Spencer]

What is a dream? Is a dream defined as an alternate reality in which we manipulate our own chaotic existence? The imagination of each and every individual is the foundation on which dreams are based, and based solely upon the element that is each individual, which is the prospect of personality. Being that the basis of a dream is depicted upon an elementary soul, or conscious/subconscious foundation, the soul and reality of a dream maintain a balance, thus resulting in the dream itself. This being said, what is the absolute definition of a dream? To full/y comprehend a dream, you must understand that reality is a dream, and vice-versa. What depicts the fate of, "reality", is the concept of nature, being that the general concept of nature is that it is our origin, from where we existed through its imagination. Since it is natures imagination from which we exist, there must exist a contradiction of a conscious/subconscious nature within nature itself, meaning that the, "reality", of a conscious/subconscious nature is actually an equal balance of natures reality and the concept of its dream. Therefore, the contradiction creates an endless median of a configuration consisting of an equal balance between the polar opposites, or extremes, which means that any contradiction, such as a dream vs. reality is actually one in the same, being that one could not live without the other. Further, imagine the reality of a dream, weather in a sleep state or being awake, considering they are one in the same, and in your imagination you imagine a dream, and in that dream you imagine another dream, and in that dream you imagine yet another dream, to the point of singularity. Since we are the prospect of natures imagination, every choice we make, that is made for us is yet another dream outside of the previous dream experienced(in my theory, mathematical chaos would dissect time infinitely, and each moment would be the same, but also different, infinite but non existent. The laws of physics would cease to exist in a pure, infinite state, a point relative to its own instinct, irrelevant and separate of knowledge. I believe infinite is a level of acceptance, or belief, somewhat letting go of knowledge itself and entering a realm of instinctual understanding. For example, i believe an inanimate object is purely instinctual, and resides in a realm of infinite, because it does exist, but is fully directed by its surroundings although itself and the environment share a common boundary). Because there exists infinite natural decisions within each moment of singularity, and each action contained within the singularity exists as a separate dream, depending on how you perceive it, like where each dream begins and ends, endless and infinite dreams exist within each singularity. This is a possibility due to the fact that time, which determines where something begins and ends, can be infinitely spliced to smaller intervals through mathematical chaos, and therefore, time stops and ceases to exist the moment singularity is achieved. Therefore, if each separate dream begins and ends on the foundation of singularity, it is never ending but also never beginning, because "infinite" is "all of time", and "all of time" extends forever like a sphere surrounding the edges of existence but also somehow containing itself continually, which is the only way it would be "infinite".


-Spencer-

There was more, but i got tired.

*We break barriers, only to discover each and every boundary is encased by another boundary. Is this some kind of sick joke?*

[labelwench]

Therefore, if each separate dream begins and ends on the foundation of singularity, it is never ending but also never beginning, because "infinite" is "all of time", and "all of time" extends forever like a sphere surrounding the edges of existence but also somehow containing itself continually, which is the only way it would be "infinite".
Originally posted by Spencer

'Infinity' would have to contain itself. Were it any other way, someone would merely ask, "Yes, but what contains 'Infinity'?"

So, what can you tell me of those who sleep dreamlessly?

[austintorn@aol.com]

I got a little tired, too, Spencer, but not because of the content, which was fine, but because of no paragraph breaks. I will enlarge it, space it, and sort it out; so, meanwhile, I might only suggest that the inner mind, absent any real inputs from wide awake thoughts and sense from the outside, still tries to make sense of its inputs at its deeper interface, those perhaps being noise, static, and some subconscious wanderings.

Thus, dreams would not just report noise and static as coming in, showing a picture of that, for it wouldn't even know that, and so it would take off on some of the jiggling of its up-stage of what might be happening and make scenes that then take off from what's left awake of the imagination, that being a good presentation, although backgrounds often change at random, stuff doesn't function right, that gravity can go away, and, for me, that my car is never where I left it.

[melanie]

Excellent post Spencer.

Keep them coming.

I want to read all of your thoughts. I find then extremely interesting indeed.

[austintorn@aol.com]

What is a dream?

Is a dream defined as an alternate reality in which we manipulate our own chaotic existence? The imagination of each and every individual is the foundation on which dreams are based, and based solely upon the element that is each individual, which is the prospect of personality.

It is, for we remain inside ourselves in the solitude of our own consciousness that observers and witnesses what we have become. While awake, we have access to information, especially the internet, but, when asleep and dreaming we are ever more in our own isolation.


Being that the basis of a dream is depicted upon an elementary soul, or conscious/subconscious foundation, the soul and reality of a dream maintain a balance, thus resulting in the dream itself. This being said, what is the absolute definition of a dream?

(As I posted previously in another post.)


To full/y comprehend a dream, you must understand that reality is a dream, and vice-versa. What depicts the fate of, "reality", is the concept of nature, being that the general concept of nature is that it is our origin, from where we existed through its imagination.

It is a dream, in a way, but the remainder is a personification of nature as being intentional by having imagination.


Since it is natures imagination from which we exist, there must exist a contradiction of a conscious/subconscious nature within nature itself, meaning that the, "reality", of a conscious/subconscious nature is actually an equal balance of nature’s reality and the concept of its dream.

Shall we rather say that nature just does what it does, given its blind, purposeless ways shown for sure by evolution via natural selection?


Therefore, the contradiction creates an endless median of a configuration consisting of an equal balance between the polar opposites, or extremes, which means that any contradiction, such as a dream vs. reality is actually one in the same, being that one could not live without the other.

The polar opposites of positive and negative, such as we see in quantum pair production, some of which have become separated into the rather enduringly real, allow for the secondary effect of all the many possible congifurations.


Further, imagine the reality of a dream, weather in a sleep state or being awake, considering they are one in the same, and in your imagination you imagine a dream, and in that dream you imagine another dream, and in that dream you imagine yet another dream, to the point of singularity.

It has happened to me that I thought I awoke, but was still in the dream, or then even went to sleep in my dream and had another dream. Here, I was untouchable by all external reality, freer than free could ever be.


Since we are the prospect of natures imagination, every choice we make, that is made for us is yet another dream outside of the previous dream experienced(in my theory, mathematical chaos would dissect time infinitely, and each moment would be the same, but also different, infinite but non existent. The laws of physics would cease to exist in a pure, infinite state, a point relative to its own instinct, irrelevant and separate of knowledge.

Nature still has no imagination, and there is no true infinity or eternity, for those terms mean "that which can never be attained".


I believe infinite is a level of acceptance, or belief, somewhat letting go of knowledge itself and entering a realm of instinctual understanding. For example, i believe an inanimate object is purely instinctual, and resides in a realm of infinite, because it does exist, but is fully directed by its surroundings although itself and the environment share a common boundary).

No actual infinite, but there are a heck of a lot of finite things going on.


Because there exists infinite natural decisions within each moment of singularity, and each action contained within the singularity exists as a separate dream, depending on how you perceive it, like where each dream begins and ends, endless and infinite dreams exist within each singularity.

Potentially endless, within the limits of form while awake, but more endless within a night dream.


This is a possibility due to the fact that time, which determines where something begins and ends, can be infinitely spliced to smaller intervals through mathematical chaos, and therefore, time stops and ceases to exist the moment singularity is achieved.

This is the potential infinity or eternity of math, but not actual ones.


Therefore, if each separate dream begins and ends on the foundation of singularity, it is never ending but also never beginning, because "infinite" is "all of time", and "all of time" extends forever like a sphere surrounding the edges of existence but also somehow containing itself continually, which is the only way it would be "infinite".

The “timeless” simply exists, rather than not, for it must, as nothing becomes of Nothing and there cannot be an infinite regress of causes.


We break barriers, only to discover each and every boundary is encased by another boundary. Is this some kind of sick joke?*

No, for no one played it. There is only the causeless ground-state as the last boundary, a necessarily arbitrary state from which all came, whenever, wherever, however, for none of these particulars were “special”. One could take it as seeming like a Cosmic joke, in that there is no specific purpose. Existence precedes essence in importance by a long-shot.

[Spencer]

Wow! I appreciate you taking the time to break each part down step by step, really...thanks. You say that we are more isolated when we are asleep, and I agree to some extent. Even so, I believe that our environment(when awake) is an interpretation, and influence is a reflection. What i mean is, we experience everything through our imagination, and develop assumptions and judge what a particular being represents. If we experienced everything for what it really was, would we retain our individuality? Or would we become a replica of our surroundings, lacking the difference essential to form interpretation? Whats your opinion?

[Spencer]

Thank you Melanie...I would like to hear you opinion on these topics also. Learning the extremes of a particular topic, in my opinion develop the understanding of what each one really means. For example, Good is commonly known to be the opposite of bad. If either ceased to exist, lets say "bad" ceased to exist for the sake of argument, would good still be good? Good is only good when we have bad to compare it to...and i believe that good, in the absence of bad would become normal. But then again, argument is a never ending circle of opinion, and i could argue that normality is that of our current perception of what we accept to be normal. My point is that every equal has an opposite, and they envelop the meaning of each other through the contradiction defining their existence. Since my philosophy is that there is no conclusion, I decided it may need some revision. I decided, at one time, that because there is no conclusion, the answer to the questions directing knowledge lies outside of knowledge itself. To come to a definite conclusion, you must let go of knowledge itself, because the answer must come before the question and questioning the answer strays you further from the truth. Why complex answering a question with more questions? I believe you can either live the dream(choosing "perfection"), or understand the dream(choosing knowledge).

[Profpat]

"Life is but a dream" ; but Hamlet knew that.

[G_burnett]

the three ladies on the beach having to bury there mans arm ... father husband and son ... they spun the webs of false realities to those that caused his death ...how? by being who they were ... woman ... it is what they could do in the Wicca way ... yes he had dreams then. heh heh ..

[austintorn@aol.com]

Wow! I appreciate you taking the time to break each part down step by step, really...thanks. You say that we are more isolated when we are asleep, and I agree to some extent. Even so, I believe that our environment(when awake) is an interpretation, and influence is a reflection. What i mean is, we experience everything through our imagination, and develop assumptions and judge what a particular being represents. If we experienced everything for what it really was, would we retain our individuality? Or would we become a replica of our surroundings, lacking the difference essential to form interpretation? Whats your opinion?

Our reality, seen and sensed only within the brain, is all interpretation and re-presentation. We only ever see the insides of our heads—our brain, and, at that, it's only the 5% of what surfaces from the subconscious, as well as as only part of the energy spectrum; however, we know that we are able to understand the other reality "out there" since we can build intricate devices from exact formulas based on it.

Imagination is for anticipating the future or just day-dreaming away, so I'd call it rationality or reasoning or such to take in the present.

So it is that we construct reality internally, but it is a consistent one in that we can all see the same scenery.

If we could somehow perceive outer reality, as is, it would be a useless jumble of waves going every which way all on top of each other, jillion things pulsing all at once. So it is that our senses contact this real reality directly but then paints an extremely useful face upon it, one even much better than if we saw everything directly.