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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    Onward and Outward

    The ‘vacuum’ quivers with uncertainty.
    These twitches, each one near ‘nothing’
    Add up to a monstrous amount of ‘energy’.

    Position and velocity are a complementary pair,
    Each inherently uncertain.
    Only together do they form the complete picture.

    The same with the wave and the particle.
    To see one destroys the other.

    The universe was simple,
    Way back when.

    It is only now that its combinations
    Have become complicated.

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

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    OF QUIRKS AND QUARKS










    Whatever physical laws lurked and larked,
    Back then, parked, of the deep and dark,
    Led to a very small excess of quarks
    And leptons over their counterparts—
    Of the order of 1 in 30 million sparks,
    Resulting in the predominance of matter farts
    In the present universe over antimatter arts.

    From these marks we mammals harked,
    With mind, soul, spirit, and hearts,
    Although some other mammals barked
    And some even quacked and quarked,
    Floating in our wonderful Earthly ark
    Upon life’s ocean of dangerous sharks.
    I am surprised you place the excess of quarks and leptons front and center in this delivery, Austin. The entire universe can basically be in balance, as long as the velocity of matter is strong enough to have an outward direction imposed on all matter. As I see it, not the creation of something, but the lack of holding on at the most intense spot in a pre-Big Bang situation is all it took. Whatever let go first may have pushed the balance off at the 1-in-30-million level, but a much better explanation is that the rip occurred at 1/30 millionth of amount away from the actual center of concentration. After all, the rip could not have occurred at that center itself; there is no other way than it having occurred somewhere off-center, because it implies one side taking an action that differs from an other side, and having an actual duality cannot be an aspect of that pre-Big Bang center. In one spot that is not the center, something (had to) decide that an action was appropriate or a must — for itself — and that meant a behavior was established that was different from the way the center behaved. Two behaviors is all it took to have the pre-Big Bang concentration fall apart big time. For the young universe, the outward movement that could not be stopped is the first step underlying materialization.

    I guess you and I are talking around the difference of seeing the center where it all began as being a container (as in explosion) or the center as being a portal (as in matter catapulting outwardly without an 'explosion'). The outward movement of the Universal Framework can help you here for there is no need to have a center at the Universal Framework; it is -as I called it in an earlier post- unimportant.
    The difference between a structure based on unification and a structure without unification hinges on the question if nothing is just plain nothing or if nothing is mighty fundamental. Read In Search of a Cyclops with titillating mathematical evidence (see homepage) to find out if separation belongs to the fundamental basics of our universe - or not.

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness



    Having my cake and Edith, too.

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    Dark Energy Mystery?

    There is no mystery, whatsoever,
    For we know the universe is expanding.

    It’s just an overpopularizing of science
    That wishes to make more of it than that.

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    There is no dark energy mystery indeed, Austin. There may be no dark energy and all within the universe may be explained by itself already. However, I do not exclude the possibility that there is incompleted energy at the other side of reality, incompleted to the extent it can never be traced (with accurracy) on this side of the universe.

    I remembered the English verb for to develop: to unfold. The developing story is that the story is unfolding (or: the unfolding story is that the story is developing).
    The difference between a structure based on unification and a structure without unification hinges on the question if nothing is just plain nothing or if nothing is mighty fundamental. Read In Search of a Cyclops with titillating mathematical evidence (see homepage) to find out if separation belongs to the fundamental basics of our universe - or not.

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    If I had to guess, the expansion of the universe may be aided by the quantum fluctuations emitting particle pairs. The only "why" I could offer is that this would be everywhere, as is expansion, where not constricted by other factors.

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    (And that it is like the negative pressure of a plunger pulling on a vacuum)

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    The 2nd Genesis

    For 100 million years
    After the birth of the universe,
    Space was dark and mostly formless.

    That’s 100 million years.

    No stars.

    It was not interesting in the least.

    It was mostly hydrogen and helium,
    With faint traces of lithium and beryllium.

    It was an abysmally black “void”;
    Darkness was upon the face of the deep.

    Who would have bet on this dark horse
    Running through a 100 million year night?

    Then hydrogen caught fire
    And so the stars were born.

    In these blast furnaces,
    Atomic nuclei were crushed, burned,
    And transmuted into more complex elements.

    That was the second creation,
    The one that really mattered.

    We contain those elements.

    Parts of those stars
    Are in our blood, bones, and skin.

    We are those stars.

    [And thus from the universal framework.]

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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post
    If I had to guess, the expansion of the universe may be aided by the quantum fluctuations emitting particle pairs. The only "why" I could offer is that this would be everywhere, as is expansion, where not constricted by other factors.

    (And that it is like the negative pressure of a plunger pulling on a vacuum)
    Okay, but are you explaining anything of the fundamental level here, Austin? The carriage is pulled forward by the donkey with in front a carrot, which happens to be attached to the carriage (and it is unimportant whether a human being sits on the bench of the carriage or not, except for the steering mechanism). For Life, there is a driver on the carriage capable of steering to some extent, while for Matter at the larger scale there is no a priori driver.

    The universe must therefore have started out with:
    a/ the carriage
    b/ the donkey
    c/ the carrot
    d/ the opportunity for a driver to sit on the bench of the carriage, holding the carrot's stick.
    e/ the path

    The universe started out because we have three parts (plus a possible fourth part) set out on a road. That means, we need to find three parts at the basic level, and indeed we find the proton, the neutron and the electron at that level. Together, a steering mechanism is available (actually, it is unavoidable), yet the steering mechanism can of course only function in as far as that is possible at that level. The driver is not an actual fourth part, it is the synergistic part of the three parts contributing to the creation of the driver.

    If we consider ourselves the drivers than we can notice how we — at our level — are that synergistic realization of the parts cooperating to some specific extent. We do not belong nor funtion at the level of the Universal Framework, we only belong to the level of the Universal Framework, for each of us is not moving outwardly with ourselves in all directions. We live on a planet, and it is only at that planet where we can roam somewhat freely, or play around in space near our planet (but only under very strict conditions).
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    Re: The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

    While there are connections between the Frameworks, they should each be seen as independent. If we agree that at the overall level incompleteness is the norm, then there is no surprise that the frameworks are to be considered on their own terms.

    Let's explore the next framework — the Galactic Framework — and view/discuss its own terms.

    What is immediately noticeable is that we are viewing the largest grouping of matter here in our universe. Though galaxies come in various sizes, there are no larger groupings than galaxies. Even two galaxies merging are still just becoming a single new galaxy of greater proportions. Because of the size of the grouping of matter, we can state that:

    1/ The Galactic Framework is that of the largest grouping of matter.



    The Galactic Framework can only be considered from the collective perspective on which many parts can be distinguished, and we can state that:

    2/ The Galactic Framework is plural and collective in nature.



    The movement of the Galactic Framework is different from the Universal Framework in that it shows how there is a strong relationship between the parts. There is a connection at the overall level of a galaxy that makes the group of matter a galaxy, and we can state that:

    3/ The Galactic Framework is cooperative in nature.



    Together, all galactic matter follows a single path through space. Even when two galaxies may end up merging, and the merging may show how their normally straight paths first veered towards one another and then danced with one another, the end result is always yet again a single path through space. We can therefore state that:

    4/ The Galactic Framework has in general a stable singular direction.



    When viewing the Galactic frameworks, we can notice that despite the singular direction, the collective moves around itself (and this is true whether we believe there is an actual gravitational center to a galaxy or not); there is a spin to a galaxy, and we can state that:

    5/ The Galactic Framework is a spinning framework.




    If there are connections between all frameworks, then we may experience the Galactic Framework at times on these other levels. At the Solar Framework we can find stars and planets that contain a spinning aspect, too, yet the dance is distinctively different since it is centered around a single largest mass (that can wiggle with the movements of the planets surrounding it).

    The Galactic Framework shows a very strong singular direction, which is close to impossible to move any other way through space except for the special condition when meeting/interacting with another galaxy. From this meeting of two Galactic Frameworks, we can state something about the Universal Framework, because the Universal Framework — collectively outward in nature — contains nevertheless these opportunities of mergers and close-range misses of mergers. To have galaxies merge, while stating that they come from the same source means that these groups of matter must have originated from an area and not from a single spot. To have matter for two galaxies meet up with each other after following a path of 13 billion years without interaction, we must have a starting point that is ánd similar ánd distinct enough to deliver such an outcome.

    The starting point must be similar enough because the paths need to be comparable to one another for a merger to take place after 13 billion years. Had the routes been starkly different, then gravity would not have come into play to organize the two groups into one. And the collective starting point must be distinct enough to have sustained separate paths of 13 billion years for both galaxies. The process of the Big Bang cannot be other than a plural process, something that the Universal Framework of non-cooperative outward movement also tells us. Slightly different origins in time and space and speeds are required to have two galaxies meet and merge.

    From the Universal Framework's reality of non-cooperative movement, we can find the indication that the Galactic Framework can already be considered complete without the need to seek a material entity at its center. The visual information from galaxies appears to confirm there is no gravitational center-entity, because the galaxies' shapes would have been more grouped at the center, less flat as we can see them today. Still, the Galactic Framework does not preclude an entity of invisible matter at its center, yet the spin must be then of such speeds that it is the reason for the more disk-like shapes of galaxies. The spews found at the center spewing matter outwardly to both sides perpendicular of the disk seem to indicate that the center is never an all-containing center (a pure Black Hole does not exist). My choice is to declare the Black Hole theory as non-sense, and will accept these locations as locations where matter can be turned into ash. I call them Ash Holes. (Yes, this is partly a joke of words, albeit a joke of a very serious nature.)

    The Planetary Framework also shows a spinning, and as such we have three frameworks that spin. The different framework is the Universal Framework. It contains the non-cooperative reality, distinct from the other frameworks. The Galactic Framework shows there is a bond; the larger non-material Universal Framework shows there is no such bond at that level. These two frameworks are not identical nor comparable at their basics.

    I'd like to open this for discussion, too. In how far can we distinguish a Galactic Framework that is basically different from the other frameworks? In how far can this framework be used; what are its limitations?
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