The Evidence for and the Theory of Incompleteness

[austintorn@aol.com]

Pyramid news…

'Door to Afterlife' Found in Egypt One of Many Worldwide

Carl Franzen Contributor
AOL News
(March 29) -- Forget Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven." Today, archaeologists in Egypt proudly announced their discovery of a 3,500-year-old "Door to the Afterlife."

Standing nearly 6 feet tall, the false door is made up of a solid slab of reddish granite intricately engraved with numerous hieroglyphics and carved to create the illusion of a series of concentric door frames stretching off into an infinite horizon.

The Egyptian antiquities authority announced Monday that this nearly 3,500-year-old door to the afterlife has been unearthed.

Fox News noted that such doorways are "found in nearly all ancient Egyptian tombs" and were installed "to take the spirits of the dead to and from the afterworld." …

[austintorn@aol.com]

The energy framework… The rhyme of the sublime…

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...tml#post114780

[Fredrick]

The energy framework… The rhyme of the sublime…

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...tml#post114780

Quite the poem, Austin,

It shows how well-versed and creative of a person you are.

I like that you chose decay as your theme, though you could have chosen other themes instead as well (for instance, that energy never gets lost). You write well, you use words within the framework of the rhyme (I bet there are certain names to describe the rhyme form you chose), and I cannot state anything other than my admiration for your work. Well done!

[austintorn@aol.com]

The verse lines, being like molecules, continually broke apart and reformed, etc., about the rhymes which tried to be unobtrusive, eventually all flexibly stabilizing.

[Fredrick]

The verse lines, being like molecules, continually broke apart and reformed, etc., about the rhymes which tried to be unobtrusive, eventually all flexibly stabilizing.

I am happy to see that we continue to agree on viewing the universe as such: a collective of bits and pieces. However, all flexibly stabilizing may be a phrase I would not use. I believe the edge of the matter will always be with us, too, even to the point of specific inflexibility and of un-stabilizing at certain times and places. If that is included in your phrase that all is flexibly stabilizing, then we agree fully.

[austintorn@aol.com]

All flexibly temporarily stabilizing, until revision.

[Fredrick]

All flexibly temporarily stabilizing, until revision.

I can go for that, but only in as far as the temporarily is understood that when there is no interactive reason for change that change will then not occur. There must be a reason.

Once we understand that we exist in a materialized universe with as largest framework Incompleteness, then we can start viewing everything that we know that exists within that largest framework. Just like the largest framework states the importance of ‘going out’ without any possibility to counter this completed fact, we could also not have been here if there were no option to have a localized ‘going in’. Only because there once was a ‘going inward’ — within the pre-Big Bang State — was a ‘going outward’ at the overall level possible. And only because of the recreations of ‘inward states’ is it possible to be here.

Of greatest importance is to realize that none of these ‘inward states’ exist at the level of ‘going outward’; they all occur at a level (or a multitude of levels) below the outward-level. Here, at the local levels, do we find all other frameworks; they exist below the Universal Framework.

For matter this means that matter is the localized realization of the inward state. Since matter is also not of a singular reality — at best we can call it a single unit, but not a singular thing — we will always have two options available to create the inward state: either heads or tails. When viewing the unit of matter as a collective nevertheless, then it is easy to see that there is a choice/outcome in which some will take in the internal positions and some will take in the external positions of that single unit of matter. No matter how small, there is always an in and an out to matter. Matter is always 3D (or 2D if you consider dimensions as realized energy fields). Matter is not singular and cannot have a singular state other than the singular synergistic outcome (“a single bike is still more than just the sum of the parts”).

Since we have five forces — E, M, SN, WN, and G — we must view them within the largest framework of the overall Incompleteness. Only two of them can be heads and tails, and they must be those forces that we find within the actual materialization itself: SN and WN. Only when the quarter lands on the table do we get heads and tails; no table, no heads or tails. We know that each outcome on the table is always or head or tail and not one of a communal delivery. We know that Quantum Mechanics states the same. Yet the more heads and the more tails we have, the greater the certainty that the balance of 50-50 is established: G. As soon as the table (planet, made up of many heads and tails) is large enough, any spinning quarter will fall towards the table and become a certain outcome while adding to the appearance of the table. Yet when the spin of the quarter is so great that the table or earth becomes an object whose location is spatially always uncertain (QM from the perspective of the spinning quarter), then the energy will remain focused on itself: E and M. The quarter can maintain its spin as long as the spin is greater than what the table requires for attaining the quarter’s focus (and fall).

We therefore have two versions of locking energy inwardly in place. Yet since each head pf the quarter has its tail, the table is formed and that will attract other quarters’ attainment. The result is therefore a given result (earth), given the specific availability of energy capable of materializing (wihtin the Solar, Galactic and Universal Framework). Gravity is a fact, not because it is from a graviton, but because the overall outcome of heads and tails is always 50-50 when the number of quarters combined is large enough; the outcome is a law that cannot be denied. There is no fifth force other than the synergistic outcome that is always more than the sum of the parts. Four forces is therefore the same as five forces (when explained appropriately).

Life is special in that gravity is only the overall outcome of 50-50. An expression is forced on all matter towards the collective; an ‘inward’ statement is found by the individual units, yet this does not require uniformity, only an attainment towards the overall balance (in all directions). In specific, we can have specific outcomes, and the overall outcome can also be specific — as long as everything attains to the required balance. With life, we have more than a forced outcome, we have an outcome based on some form of choice (limited as the choices may be). Life started out from a very small level, because that is where the outcomes of the heads and tails can possibly be manipulated, while this manipulation causes virtually no change in the gravitational outcome.

Given distance, the spin of either the table or the quarter will influence the outcome. With the table itself spinning, a distant quarter does not need to spin to be not-attracted to the table. Yet closer by, the quarter must spin at a certain speed to not be required to confirm itself to an inward outcome that fits the balance of that then established table.

E and M are those inward states of the quarters themselves. Remember, any energy always has an in and an out, an interior and an exterior, an internal and an external reality. When loose, the state is not fixed, and the energy is still just energy. When fixed, the energy is matter.

There is no singular state. The overall truth that apparently no one denies, but only few live by, is the state of Incompleteness. We are of matter, so we find ourselves in a recreated reality in which the overall state must be singular, but only at the individual level. I can only have one body, not two or more. Yet with my mind I can follow more than what my body is. Where my body is bound, my mind is free.

[labelwench]

.......when there is no interactive reason for change that change will then not occur. There must be a reason.

Yet with my mind I can follow more than what my body is.

I have taken your two remarks above, out of context, Fredrick, yet they have merit in a wide variety of application.

There is an incompleteness in our ability to effectively communicate the knowledge of our personal experience to another, strictly because the experiencing is just that, personal, and it is now being hypothesized that every single brain may be configured quite differently to allow for exactly such purpose.

That rather makes human beings seem more on to the order of individual 'cells' within a sea of potential, yet to be identified, yet referred to by some as fundamental substance.

We are all unique, in the same manner that each cell of our own biology has it's unique 'address' and function within our body.

More than the above, I have not yet had time to ponder.

Thank you for tolerating my infrequent and wide-ranging remarks.

[austintorn@aol.com]

In Fredrick’s pyramidal world, it is that the origin
Of the belly button of the universe was an ‘inner’ begin
That reached the limit of being really small
And so it popped back out became the ‘outer’ all,
As in the outer space of the entire universe around
That formed from the unlimited merry-go-round.

[Fredrick]

There is an incompleteness in our ability to effectively communicate the knowledge of our personal experience to another, strictly because the experiencing is just that, personal, and it is now being hypothesized that every single brain may be configured quite differently to allow for exactly such purpose.

That rather makes human beings seem more on to the order of individual 'cells' within a sea of potential, yet to be identified, yet referred to by some as fundamental substance.

We are all unique, in the same manner that each cell of our own biology has it's unique 'address' and function within our body.

More than the above, I have not yet had time to ponder.

Thank you for tolerating my infrequent and wide-ranging remarks.

You are quite welcome posting infrequent and wide-ranging remarks here, Labelwench. It is definitively my pleasure reading your remarks, which I would call smart remarks, but then again, they seem to not undermine my own perceptions that the word smart could be perceived as colored. But I think they're smart.

The one part where I would like to place more information is your information that we "human beings seem more on to the order of individual 'cells' within a sea of potential, yet to be identified, yet referred to by some as fundamental substance," for our paths diverge at that point — smart and wise as I think your words are nevertheless. I do not seek the identification of the potential and consider the fundamental substance identified enough already when using the word 'energy'.

The action of seeking identification of the potential describes the elimination of the potential as potential. We may strive to identify and we may succeed in gaining grounds in identifying the potential, yet the potential as a whole cannot be identified, except possibly by the human heart. Spinoza already pointed to the end of knowledge, not in absolute terms, but as the spot found within the action of knowing; an automatic limit exists between what is out there and the human being as the tool that wants to know. We are limited in our search to fully know the potential, no matter the amount of tools we bring with us. And that can be understood by the single tool inside our heads — as soon as we come to that spot inside our heads where this can be understood.

I do not know if you saw the Buddha program on television recently, but Buddha found that spot inside the head, and could then look at all that was there (in his case his society was the Hindu society). In Hinduism that spot is not that readily available (but professed to exist after many many lives are lived and if one is fortunate enough to find the way out of reincarnation). Buddha did so in one life, and was still alive when finding that spot.

At the more mondane reality of science, the fundamental substance cannot be identified other than as energy. The forms it can take in, though, can be further identified, for when fixed energy is WN or SN force, when loose it is E or M, while G is the collective outcome per collectively-fixed energy. To move to a deeper level to identify what the potential is is like not getting/not recognizing the picture already drawn. Energy must be unidentified to actually be considered energy. Energy is that collective state that cannot be taken apart into individual aspects, because there are no individual aspects other than those that belong to the collective. It may sound weird, but not until the larger frameworks do we actually have individuals, because it requires the combination of many kinds of energy first (fixed, loose, and many specific variations) to end up with an individual.

You yourself are not an individual in purest sense from the perspective of energy, and neither am I. We are each the outcome of many established energies in many specific combinations. Yet just like the bicycle parts strewn on the floor are less than the mounted bike, we are more than just the sum of the parts. The parts of the bike are the parts, but one cannot look at just the parts to understand what you can do with a fully assembled bike. The individual bike has capabilities that none of the parts has. So the bike should never wonder where the ability to circle the block comes from other than from the collectiveness of the parts, set in fixed and loose positions in a single collective ensemble.

The parts are a given, and we only need to identify the potential as the potential to receive the full answer; we do not need to identify the potential any further than that, and we actually will not find further answers of the desired kind (we may find other answers, desired and not-desired) when desiring to identify the potential to its fullest.