Quantum Wave Cosmology is my TOE :)

[labelwench]

Energy as particles, packets, beams, rays and waves is even understood by my horses, although not so elaborately expressed. It always amazes me to observe how they position themselves in a natural environment to take the most advantage of every source of shelter and to be in a position to utilize the reflected, refracted and radiated light and heat of their surrounds.

Well worded and easy to comprehend post, Bogey. Much appreciated.

[melanie]

Would you like to climb up Ben Nevis with me in the rain ?
then after that we could watch Motor Cycle Diaries..yeah?

http://www.zimbio.com/watch/6mQFpn-0...inment+Tonight

Then after that, I could ride a mechanical horse into the sunset, with you, what you say?

Be your self no matter what they say.....

[melanie]

Yes, it is true, the mind is where we experience what our senses tell us through perception of what is out there. I still have a question . Is there delusion going on or is there a highly evolved life form that has put its senses to work for it to survive in a real world that the senses dutifully detect?

Out there is a projection of in here(the mind)

Yes, it's all delusion, but a highly evolved delusion... it thinks/dreams itself alive, when it's not thinking it's no-thing at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxF_HN53dM

[Bogie]

Unbelievably there is plenty more to come ...

And here is just the part that wouldn't fit in that last post

The energy commodity

Everything that occupies space is either composed of organized groups of energy quanta as in particles with mass, in the form of energy wave fronts as in electromagnetic radiation, in the form of gravitational energy, or in the form of the energy commodity itself which constitutes the infinitely fine background energy of space. It is the nature of the energy commodity to expand to occupy all space that is not otherwise occupied by matter or radiation, or gravity, no voids exist.

In fiction, if energy did not exist space would still exist and would be empty. Also in fiction, if only radiating objects existed that emit and absorb radiation then there could still be empty space between the wave fronts of the energy waves that are emitted. Space would be a congested superhighway of intersecting and overlapping wave fronts going and coming in all directions but theoretically there could be points in space that are not being traversed by an energy wave front at an instant in time. Empty space could exist if that scenario were possible. Add gravity to the mix and vast expanses of space become filled with gravitational energy simply due to the existence of mass but in a finite material universe with a local beginning (more fiction) there would still be room for empty space at distances where gravity had not yet reached. But in QWC the universe has always existed and has always contained mass disbursed across the infinite arena landscape and so there is no location where a beginning occurred and no location that is not filled with gravitational energy. Space is infinite and eternal, and there is no space that has not always contained the energy commodity. Those are axioms in QWC.

What we theorize about empty space is that it would be a perfect vacuum, a void in space (fiction of course). In QWC the energy arriving at a patch of empty space in the form of radiated energy wave fronts could not escape until the void was filled. The vacuum of empty space would absorb energy from arriving wave fronts until the entire void contained energy density that was equalized with the surrounding space before wave fronts could pass through. However given that the universe has always existed and all space has always been filled with some level of energy density, the empty space scenario is false. Energy density fills all space because energy has always filled all space and there is no force in nature strong enough to create a perfect void. Vacuum is a relative term and in QWC relative vacuums are produced by energy processes associated with presence of mass and with the arena landscape.

Introduction to Energy Processes

Average energy density of space: Space in its infinite expanse has an average energy density; at the average energy density of space as a whole, a constant ratio of matter to energy exists; matter has always existed and always maintains this ratio to energy on a grand scale; across the greater universe energy density always falls within a range; there is a minimum and a maximum energy density determined by the level of the average energy density of the universe; local energy density is controlled by limits and thresholds of ongoing processes; any finite patch of space has energy density that is continually influenced by the energy density of surrounding space; it is the nature of energy to equalize its density across all space; energy equalization is subject to the influences of processes that affect the energy density of the energy environment

Energy environment: A patch of space that contains energy at the same density level; The space surrounding any energy environment has energy density differentials relative to the energy environment; energy environments are continually influenced by surrounding environments; the energy density of adjacent energy environments is in the process of equalizing; the energy density differential is eliminated by the process of equalization; as adjacent energy environments become equalized the resulting energy environment has a different energy density than either contributing environment.

The primary energy processes in QWC occur at two levels. The processes are differentiated by natural limits of energy density and by the magnitude of energy and space within which those limits apply. The two levels of order are the micro and the macro levels.

The micro level of order is where things occur that can be referred to by the term “infinitesimal”. Things go on in minute spaces and in minute energy increment there that are so small and that occur so fast that they cannot be observed by modern technology.

The macro level is where the things occur that can be referred to as the grand scale. That is where the term “infinite” applies to the landscape. Things go on at that level in energy increments and spaces that are too big to be observed in their entirety. Changes at the macro level occur very slowly relative to human perception. Macro level energy wave fronts are so separated that distances between them are too great to be observed in measurable time periods.

In between the two levels of order we can observe events as they unfold; the closer we get to the observable limits the more tedious our measurements become. When events occur near the observable limits we see only hints of the lesser or greater realms that lie beyond.


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[Bogie]

I wonder if this link works? <http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...ad99d16a8eb815>

Sometimes it seems like a discipline to come here but a couple of times a month I just have to get out of the house. This is my favorite spot to come and be close to nature. It is the Maple pavilion at the Upper Tampa Bay Park in Hillsborough County, Florida. The Maple pavilion is a picnic shelter right on the salt marsh of Old Tampa Bay. The pavilion is just off the Otter Trail at the edge of two habitats, the salt marsh estuary and the Pine flat woods. It is a perfect place to contemplate nature. I can even look over the edge of the pavilion and watch the Fiddler crabs .

I bring food, my computer, my Verizon wireless connection, books, my 12 volt marine deep cell battery (all charged up), lots of coffee and plan to spend a good part of the day.

[melanie]

lots of coffee and plan to spend a good part of the day.

Greats posts Bogie, enjoy reading here. Thanks for sharing.

Easy on the coffee though, switch to water if you can, for better clarity of mind.

Your link does work, hey, you live close to Drifter, he lives in Sarasota FL

[Bogie]

Greats posts Bogie, enjoy reading here. Thanks for sharing.

Easy on the coffee though, switch to water if you can, for better clarity of mind.

Your link does work, hey, you live close to Drifter, he lives in Sarasota FL

You are so right about the coffee. My wife and I have started making the morning coffee half decaf and I do drink a lot of water, no sugary soft drinks. The best thing for keeping a clear mind is exercise and we both walk many miles a week, sometimes even together .

[austintorn@aol.com]

RECENTLY, AT BOLTZMANNGASSE 3 IN VIENNA

Institut für Quantenoptik und Quanteninformation
(IQOQI)

Does the moon still exist
When we aren’t looking at it?

Yes.


LOCALITY AND/OR REALISM
(AND ‘IT FROM BIT’?)

One (or both) of these assumptions is
Inadequate to describe the physical world;
However, Bell’s theorem
Does not say which to abandon.

However, lately it has been confirmed
Even more conclusively
By Ziellinger and associates
That entangled particles do not have
Preexisting properties,
Such as polarization,
That are independent
Of any observation.

So, there goes naive realism.

Now, what about at the classical level?
Well, although there, too,
We transform reality, or I could even say,
Create reality, although it’s consistent
Among all individuals,
For we see the same trees
And buildings, for example.

Two particles are called entangled
If they share the same fuzzy quantum state,
Meaning neither of them begins
With definite properties
Such as location or polarization
(Which can be thought of
As a particle’s spatial orientation).

Measure the polarization of one photon,
And it randomly adopts a certain value,
Say, horizontal or vertical;
Oddly, the polarization of the other photon
Will always correlate to that of its partner.

Zeilinger, whose group invented
A common tool for entangling polarization,
Likes to illustrate the idea
By imagining a pair of dice
That always land on matching numbers.

Equally mysterious,
The act of measuring one photon’s polarization
Immediately forces the second photon
To adopt a complementary value.

This change happens instantaneously,
Even if the photons are across the galaxy;
The light-speed limit obeyed
By the rest of the world
Can take a leap,
For all that quantum physics cares.

I’d like to come to the second freedom:
The freedom of nature.
You said that for example
The velocity or the location of a particle
Are only determined at the moment
Of the measurement, and entirely at random.

I maintain: it is so random
That not even God knows the answer.

For me the concept of “information”
Is at the basis of everything we call “nature”.
The moon, the chair, the equation of states,
Anything and everything,
Because we can’t talk about anything
Without de facto speaking about the information
We have of these things;
In this sense the information
Is the basic building block of our world.

In your last book you wrote:
“Laws of nature should make no distinction
Between reality and information.” Why?

We’ve learnt in the natural sciences
That the key to understanding can often be found
If we lift certain dividing lines in our minds.

Newton showed that the apple falls to the ground
According to the same laws
That govern the Moon’s orbit of the Earth.
And with this he made the old differentiation
Between earthly and heavenly phenomena obsolete.

Darwin showed that there is no dividing line
Between man and animal.

And Einstein lifted the line
Dividing space and time.

But in our heads,
We still draw a dividing line
Between “reality” and “knowledge about reality”,
In other words between reality and information.
And you cannot draw this line;
There is no recipe, no process for distinguishing
Between reality and information.

All this thinking and talking about reality
Is about information,
Which is why one should not make a distinction
In the formulation of laws of nature;
Quantum theory, correctly interpreted,
Is information theory.

And can you explain
All these strange quantum phenomena
Conclusively with your information concept?

Not all of them yet, but we’re working on it;
With limitation it works excellently.

How?

I imagine that a quantum system
Can carry only a limited amount of information,
Which is sufficient only for a single measurement.

Let’s come back to the situation of two particles
Colliding like billiard balls,
And in so doing entering a state of limitation.

In terms of information theory that means
That after the collision the entire information
Is smeared over both particles,
Rather than the individual particles
Carrying the information.

And that means the entire information we have
Pertains to the relationship
Between both particles;
For that reason, by measuring the first particle
I can anticipate the speed of the second,
But the speed of the first particle is entirely random.

Because the information isn’t sufficient.

Exactly. Its randomness is ultimately
A consequence of the
Finiteness of the information.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Quantum Breakdown

To investigate where quantum mechanics
Breaks down and classical mechanics begins,
The team is investigating
Two weird quantum properties:
Entanglement and superposition.

When two particles become entangled,
They become inextricably intertwined,
So that changing the properties of one
Has an immediate effect
On the properties of its partner

Superposition is another feature
That is peculiar to quantum systems;
Before a quantum object is measured,
It does not have definite characteristics;
Instead, it exists in a superposition
Of multiple mutually contradictory states—
Allowing it to be in two places at once, for example.

Thus, if information is the
Most fundamental notion
In quantum physics,
A very natural understanding of phenomena
Like quantum decoherence
Or quantum teleportation emerges.

And, so, quantum entanglement
Is then nothing else
Than the property of subsystems
Of a composed quantum systems
To carry information jointly,
Independent of space and time;
And the randomness of
Individual quantum events
Is a consequence of
The finiteness of information.

The reduction of the wave packet
Is just a reflection of the fact
That the representation of our information
Has to change whenever the information itself
Changes as a consequence of an observation.

…

A few months ago Zeilinger reported
Implementing a new kind
Of statistical Bell test,
Devised by Leggett,
That pits quantum mechanics
Against a category of theories
In which entangled photons
Have real polarizations
But exchange hidden particles
That travel faster than light.

In principle,
Such faster-than-light theories
Might have perfectly
Mimicked quantum strangeness
And let realism go unmolested.
Not so, according to the experiment:
The results could be explained
Only by quantum unreality.

So what idea replaces realism?
The situation calls to mind
One of Zeilinger’s favorite books,
The humorous novel
‘The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’,
By Douglas Adams,
In which a mighty computer
Crunches the meaning of life,
The universe and everything
And spits out the number 42.

So its creators build a bigger computer
To discover the question.

If quantum indeterminacy
Is like the number 42,
Then what idea makes it intelligible?

Zeilinger’s guess is information,
Just like a bit, can be 0 or 1;
A measured particle ends up
Either here or there;
But if a particle carries only
That one bit of information,
It will have none left over
To specify its location
Before the measurement.

Unlike Einstein, Zeilinger accepts
That randomness is reality’s bedrock.

Still, “I can’t believe that quantum mechanics
Is the final word,” he says.
“I have a feeling that if we get really deep insight
Into why the world has quantum mechanics”—
Where the 42 comes from—“we might go beyond.
That’s what I hope.”

“Then, finally, would come understanding.”

42

[Bogie]

RECENTLY, AT BOLTZMANNGASSE 3 IN VIENNA

...
Because the information isn’t sufficient.

Exactly. Its randomness is ultimately
A consequence of the
Finiteness of the information.

Quantum Breakdown

...
Still, “I can’t believe that quantum mechanics
Is the final word,” he says.
“I have a feeling that if we get really deep insight
Into why the world has quantum mechanics”—
Where the 42 comes from—“we might go beyond.
That’s what I hope.”

“Then, finally, would come understanding.”

42

The thing is that I'm uncertain about uncertainty. I seems a must in today's view of the quantum realm, the inability to know location and momentum at the same time, entanglement, superposition where the quantum space time foam is supposed to smear everything beyond recognition. If that is true then reality will never be known. And does observing the polarity of a photon screw up the observation? Why not superimpose and entangle everything? No one can put all of science together and come up with the answers. I don't pretend to.

I simply start from the bottom up and ask how that could work or this could happen. Do you disqualify me because I don't think things have to be uncertain? Probably not since we don't know if things have to be uncertain. If there is an undiscovered but understandable level of order where modern theoretical physics says there is only spacetime foam, then I think there can be a level of order in the quantum realm, not chaos.