Quantum Wave Cosmology is my TOE :)

[Bogie]

Hi Bogie…I was wondering if you could share some thoughts on this statement by an Astrophysict who wrote “The God Theory?”

“Instead of an absolute space and time filled with ether that sustains the epiphenomenon of light, light becomes the fundamental thing whose propagation determines the flow of time and the measure of distance.

It would be my pleasure.

I would say that the truth of that statement cannot be refuted. A scientist would not deny that the propagation of light and the time delay between propagation and its arrival is a valid measure of time and distance. So clearly, that part is true.

We can almost say that light creates space-time. I suggest that light, in the form of a universal electro-magnetic zero-point field also creates and sustains the world of matter that fills space-time. Thus the words, “Let there be light” may express more than a poetic mythology after all.
(B. Haisch—The God Theory)

Speaking practically, in a universe described by our extended Hubble Volume of space and operating under the geometry of a spacetime coordinate system, I would agree that we can almost say that light creates spacetime, at least to the extent that any motion revealed by the observation of light will be quantifiable in terms of spacetime, whether or not spacetime geometry corresponds to reality.

The implication I get from Haisch is that he is making a gesture toward the reconciliation of science and the Bible. To that extend I see it as a reasonable gesture though a bit too selective for my taste. I have a view of the universe that demotes our Hubble Volume of space that hosts the known universe to a mere patch of space, an arena within a potentially infinite greater universe whose landscape is composed of many such arenas. So though I would be agreeable to making a similar gesture toward common ground between QWC and an eternal transcendent Immanence that some might call God, I have not yet been agreeable enough to single out one religious text or single religion in any such overture; my vision of common ground is that the universe is infinite and eternal and as such, God and the universe might be one in the same.

[Bogie]

A few definitions that I use in QWC:

Arena: related to a Hubble volume; expands until expansion is interrupted by intersecting and overlapping with a similar adjacent expanding arena in space; originates when a big crunch is formed from the collapse of galactic matter when two adjacent arenas intersect and overlap; its smallest volume occurs at its big crunch origin; an arena emerges from the burst of a big crunch; Our observable Hubble volume is a portion of an expanding arena; an arena quantum of energy that is accumulated in a big crunch, emerges from the burst of the crunch, and is equivalent to the energy content of our extended Hubble volume.

Hubble volume: The volume of space that contains the galactic panorama that we can observe through the Hubble telescope.

Extended Hubble volume: Our Hubble volume plus any volume of space that contains a portion of the arena level energy quantum that is unobservable; the volume of space that contains the full extent of our arena’s event horizon; causally connected to the burst of a single big crunch.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Bogie, please consider this, posted back in 2006:

Baud and Sub:

None is the product of each other, energy to time or time to energy. It's:
Force<--Energy<--Matter-->Space-->Time

Matter exists if and only if there are the other four, and the other four exist if and only if there is matter. As you can see, whiles Energy and space are inhered in matter directly, these two inhere force-time, which by the way are more essential than energy-space. But energy-space is previous to existence than force-time, although not that existence is not if there are not 1 single of the 5. What I mean by all this is that energy of level 2 (with space), whiles time is of level 3 (with force).

And, my question would be; How does energy exist without matter/motion first, to form such forces of energy...? Getting ahead of your post about energy, but you did already mention enough about energy to warrent the curiosity...

[Bogie]

Bogie, please consider this, posted back in 2006:

And, my question would be; How does energy exist without matter/motion first, to form such forces of energy...? Getting ahead of your post about energy, but you did already mention enough about energy to warrent the curiosity...

Hi Lloyd, I will consider that and I'm pretty sure I see a clear path to a responsive answer but if I don't seem to be answering the question please clarify, re. the thread where Guille's quote came form ... dleviwing's thread named "Absolute Fundamentals" ... is the content of that thread (the posts leading leading up to Guille's post) pertinent to your question, particularly the OP in that thread or the definition which I quote here, "Absolute Space (n) There was a time in mans ancient history that the vacuum of space provoked the image of some location or volume devoid of all physical entities."?

I should point out if that is the case, that my cosmology is about a universe that had no beginning. It has always existed. The Cosmological Principle however is still in tact meaning that the universe looks the same on a grand scale from any position in it now and that has been the case at any time in its history. What you would see now on a grand scale is a potentially infinite landscape of arenas forming, playing out and being replaced by new arenas; a process of arena action that is an important part of my cosmology (a part not yet presented). That is exactly the same thing that you would have seen 13.7 billion years ago when our arena emerged from a big crunch, and it is the same thing you would have seem a trillion years ago too. Different arenas, the same old energy. The process of arena action does a series of things on an individual arena basis but its primary beauty in QWC is that it is a process that defeats entropy.

So the Force<--Energy<--Matter-->Space-->Time equation doesn't apply because that sequence of events starts with a beginning void, if I can go by the OP and the definition of absolute space, and there was never a beginning void in QWC. Is that responsive to the question? If not please clarify the question.

Bogie

[Bogie]

The Cosmological Principle: In QWC I do retain the Cosmological Principle in intact and joke that it applies better to QWC than it does to Big Bang Theory. That principle simply stated says that when viewed on a grand scale the landscape of the greater universe looks essentially the same in all directions from all places and at all times past, present and future.

The reason it applies better to QWC than to Big Bang Theory is that in BBT the "look" of the universe on a grand scale changes drastically from the first instant at 10^-30 seconds and throughout the stages of Big Bang nucleosynthesis, galaxy formation and expansion. In QWC, though there are individual arenas going through the stages of forming and maturing into a full complement of galaxy and galaxy groups, that is the small scale, an individual arena. The grand scale is the potentially infinite arena landscape where arenas intersect and overlap, galactic material collapses into big crunches, big crunches burst into expansion (some new physics involved _), and they mature into Hubble Volumes like we now observe in our own arena.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Yeah Bogie, we're not in any dis-agreement about an eternal infinite universe, as I argued the same ideas in David's thread. Dave's original post was just a visualizing strategy, as he also accepts it as eternal, just not infinite, as to matter and motion. I see it all as eternal and infinite, yet would stress Guille's model; Force<--Energy<--Matter-->Space-->Time(the way I'm looking at this__no beginning void_just eternal infinite...), as being the most valid eternal infinite state, forming fundamental energy, from the more fundamental eternal matter of the infinite, say__non-viscous fluidic field, or at the least, existing at the same time__as I've elsewhere said, as an inseparable triadic FS(fundamental substance__matter/motion/energy...)

It may be of interest to you to read that thread, as it's only 5 pages long, since it's what some of us members had speculated at that point... It's up to you...

Just offering a point of view that's already been explored, that may be of help, or not__that's all...

I just read your second post above today, and the second paragraph sounds a lot like the small bangs theories several of us have kicked around. I also like it, but have no proof it's a viable model... We're all waiting for you to come up with the proofs...

[Bogie]

Yeah Bogie, we're not in any dis-agreement about an eternal infinite universe, as I argued the same ideas in David's thread. Dave's original post was just a visualizing strategy, as he also accepts it as eternal, just not infinite, as to matter and motion. I see it all as eternal and infinite, yet would stress Guille's model; Force<--Energy<--Matter-->Space-->Time(the way I'm looking at this__no beginning void_just eternal infinite...), as being the most valid eternal infinite state, forming fundamental energy, from the more fundamental eternal matter of the infinite, say__non-viscous fluidic field, or at the least, existing at the same time__as I've elsewhere said, as an inseparable triadic FS(fundamental substance__matter/motion/energy...)

I hope we get together on this down the road. It has a agreeable ring to me though I'm not familiar with the details just like you are not familiar with the details of QWC. It may turn out that the reason it has an agreeable ring is that our views are compatible. If not, I will give your views a good looking over and try to reconcile with them or point out where we cannot reconcile and why.

It may be of interest to you to read that thread, as it's only 5 pages long, since it's what some of us members had speculated at that point... It's up to you...

Just offering a point of view that's already been explored, that may be of help, or not__that's all...

I will do that this week end. Keep in mind I am a light weight and not unhappily so when it comes to the particulars of what we know about the physical universe. It is what we don't know that interests me. There seems to be a recognition on my part that there are things we know that I can accept without understanding them as long as they are generally accepted as fact. When there is no consensus about what the facts are then I don't automatically include the theory in QWC; I speculate about what it would take to fill the gaps where there is a lack of consensus. That way I understand how everything that is part of QWC is connected and compatible even at the expense of not accepting portions of theory that are generally accepted but are not yet themselves melded into the scientific consensus.

I just read your second post above today, and the second paragraph sounds a lot like the small bangs theories several of us have kicked around. I also like it, but have no proof it's a viable model... We're all waiting for you to come up with the proofs...

LOL. I'm saving that for my tombstone.

[austintorn@aol.com]

…my cosmology is about a universe that had no beginning. It has always existed. — Bogie

Sounds great, since no fundamental “something”, that I call a ground-state, whatever it may be, could have had any beginning, since, again, Nothing can’t beget anything (I just like saying it in different ways), and since causes can’t go on forever beneath. This is probably the most important thing known, plus, it has many implications, such as that any of its given states could not have had anything special about them, although the emanations that continue on, of course, seem to have more worth in that they go places, onward and upward to more complexity.

“Arenas” may also be called “pocket universes”, while the entitre landscape may be referred to, sometimes, as the multiverse, although perhaps they are really only “pocket” stanzas of just one overall “verse”.

String theory, too, has some arenas that, while, not coming to overlap—come to bang, such as two large branes colliding.

[austintorn@aol.com]

THE SECRET

The basis of the Universe was forever here,
For nothing could make itself from Nothing at all;
Such, a state of Nothing could never be, for there IS
Something—a reality that our being interprets.

This then is the secret of the universe,
Knowing of that which underlies all reality:
Fundamental, absolute, indestructible,
Everpresent, indeterminate, and pervasive.

Reality now pulsates, in a real structured sequence.
A field that’s present throughout space immense,
Out of which all particles can condense—
Occurring where the field’s extremely intense.

Atoms are those bundles of inertia,
The knots in the field and fabric of space;
Yet matter defines the structure of space…
So the Yin is in the Yang, and vice-versa!

[austintorn@aol.com]

THE FOREVER FIELDS OF REALITY

Michael Faraday introduced
One of the most radical ideas in science.

They thought that he had,
For once, gone too far.

Particles became rather irrelevant,
Being mere spigots through which forces flowed.

The real stuff of reality was the forces flowing,
The particles being only the source.

The burden of reality had shifted,
For the space between particles became primary.

Particles were only the intersection
Of the forces that wove the universe.

Forces create stresses in space,
A superhighway
Of how to get from here to there.

An electron wiggles in the sun,
Tweaking the E/M field;
The ripples travel for 8 minutes
Then tickle an electron in your eye.

You see the light;
Light is a tweak.

Physics has never been the same since.

The field concept became real,
The idea being the same as the thing,
Fudging forever the difference
Between something and nothing;

Yet, fields are made of something real,
For they have energy.

Einstein called the field that be
“A change in the concept of reality…
The most profound and fruitful one
That has come to physics since Newton.”

Matter, then, is simply a place where
Some of the field happens to be concentrated.

Matter travels like a wave in a rope,
But, the rope itself does not travel.

The field is not so much
Something in space,
But more like of space.

This is why all particles of a type are identical;
For they are each manifestations
Of their fields everywhere the same.

The field takes on a life of its own,
Even when the object that created it is gone.
The traveling kinks continue;
They propagate endlessly.

Where the vacuum is free of matter
It is not free of field, but filled with it.

Energy and mass are the same stuff,
But it takes a whole lot of energy to make mass.

Field is thus the bridge
Between matter and empty space.

Fields can’t go away,
As they’re part of the structure of the vacuum;
When in their quietest possible state
They are the vacuum.

This is about as close to nothing
As anything ever gets.

Forces act on things,
While matter is acted upon;
You can walk through a field,
But you cannot walk through a wall.

Kinks in fields can pile atop one another;
Kinks in matter hold each other at arm’s length.

Yet, somehow, beneath it all,
They are kindred spirits.

Faraday made fields real;
Quantum mechanics made them magic—
And lumpy—the currency of QM.

Everything melts, via uncertainty,
As when we try to measure a quantum property.

But this, too, means that no quantum property
Can ever be zero, for zero is a precise amount,
That is, it is that motion can never cease.

Try to pin down an electron,
Such as putting it in a box,
And it increasingly moves about,
Ever faster.

It is heads or tails while it is still spinning?
Well, it is just a fuzzy ‘both’ yet neither.

In a way, QM eliminated
The very idea of zero
From the physical world,
As ‘nothing’ never sleeps,
But is ever up to something.

(The Loan Shark)

An unusual track was found in a cloud chamber
That Carl Anderson was using
To watch the trajectories of cosmic rays
Streaming in from space.

The track was like that of an electron—
Except that it curved backwards
Under the influence of a magnetic field.
It was the positron, now used in the PET.

A particle and its antiparticle annihilate,
Giving back, in the process, the energy it took
To create them in the first place.

Do they live on borrowed time and energy,
A creation near ‘ex nihilo’ all over the universe?

Can they sneak out of the vacuum
So long as they snuck back in again
Before you noticed?

“What is the point?”
Thought Richard Fenyman:
“Created and annihilated,
Annihilated and created—
What a waste of time.”

They come and go like dreams,
The lighter ones, like electrons,
Popping out more often.

They are the ghosts of the yet unborn.
The road from ‘nothing’ to something
Goes in both directions;
With enough energy
They can become real.

The so-called ‘vacuum’ is creative.
The field fluctuates this way and that,
But, on average, the net energy is ‘zero’.

The once melted vacuum fell and froze,
Gaining structure,
Such as when water becomes ice.