Quantum Wave Cosmology is my TOE :)

[Mikal]

It would be my pleasure.

I would say that the truth of that statement cannot be refuted. A scientist would not deny that the propagation of light and the time delay between propagation and its arrival is a valid measure of time and distance. So clearly, that part is true.

Speaking practically, in a universe described by our extended Hubble Volume of space and operating under the geometry of a spacetime coordinate system, I would agree that we can almost say that light creates spacetime, at least to the extent that any motion revealed by the observation of light will be quantifiable in terms of spacetime, whether or not spacetime geometry corresponds to reality.

The implication I get from Haisch is that he is making a gesture toward the reconciliation of science and the Bible. To that extend I see it as a reasonable gesture though a bit too selective for my taste. I have a view of the universe that demotes our Hubble Volume of space that hosts the known universe to a mere patch of space, an arena within a potentially infinite greater universe whose landscape is composed of many such arenas. So though I would be agreeable to making a similar gesture toward common ground between QWC and an eternal transcendent Immanence that some might call God, I have not yet been agreeable enough to single out one religious text or single religion in any such overture; my vision of common ground is that the universe is infinite and eternal and as such, God and the universe might be one in the same.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here Bogie and to be fair I should give you some additional information to consider. You state….

“The implication I get from Haisch is that he is making a gesture toward the reconciliation of science and the Bible. To that extend I see it as a reasonable gesture though a bit too selective for my taste……”Quote by Bogie.


Actually Haisch deeply questioned the Bible creation story because it contradicted itself by saying “let there be light” and yet the sun and moon were not created until the 4th day.
To a scientist this was deeply questionable.
Haisch said as this kind of stayed in the back of his mind he much later while browsing in a bookstore found a small book called “The Other Bible.”

This book is a collection of ancient scriptures known as pseudepigrapha which are Biblical like texts that were not incorporated into the cannonical Old Testament and which as texts never made it into the Bible as we know it.

Upon reading a passage in this book called The Haggadah Haisch read, “The light created at the very beginning is not the same as the light emitted by the Sun, the Moon and the stars which appeared only on the 4th day.”
This statement is why Haisch said that the words, “Let there be light” may express more than a poetic mythology.

In light of this do you feel like your Quantum Wave would have anything to do with this first field of light??




Regards Mikal

[Bogie]

…my cosmology is about a universe that had no beginning. It has always existed. — Bogie

Sounds great, since no fundamental “something”, that I call a ground-state, whatever it may be, could have had any beginning, since, again, Nothing can’t beget anything (I just like saying it in different ways), and since causes can’t go on forever beneath. This is probably the most important thing known, plus, it has many implications, such as that any of its given states could not have had anything special about them, although the emanations that continue on, of course, seem to have more worth in that they go places, onward and upward to more complexity.

“Arenas” may also be called “pocket universes”, while the entitre landscape may be referred to, sometimes, as the multiverse, although perhaps they are really only “pocket” stanzas of just one overall “verse”.

String theory, too, has some arenas that, while, not coming to overlap—come to bang, such as two large branes colliding.

It is fair to correlate the term “arena” with terms like “multiverse” or “pocket stanzas” but of course there is only one universe. I try to convey the one consistent term “arena” to each patch of space that can be designated as an arena. The arena is an active patch of space where very predictable things go on, i.e. the arena process called arena action that defeats entropy and that does so in quantum increments, huge increments at the macro level where one increment is equivalent to the energy content of our entire extended Hubble Volume, and where each arena has essentially the same amount of energy, the arena quantum. The landscape of the greater universe is composed of arena quanta.

I avoid using other terms for the arena interchangeably to avoid confusion with other names that may have different meanings to different people based on other existing cosmologies. And arena is a very specific set of circumstances that are repeated in each arena making arenas essentially the same, with the same physics, the same origin and fate, and giving them an overlapping and continuing connectedness to the whole.

I especially try to differentiate the arena from the bubble universe or multiverses of String theory where the “many worlds” concept comes into play. Arenas are not “many worlds” in that sense. Leonard Susskind, the father of string theory, now sees each “world” as an individual entity with its own version of physics and its own chance outcome from uncertainty. There is no such uncertainty in QWC.

Also in regard to the fine tuning and the comments that there is a perfect balance that implies ID, well not so fast. The balance is natural and would occur with any set of variables. If the variables were different or the ratios different the universe would still comply with the cosmological principle and would still operate within ranges and be governed by various limits and thresholds. In a universe that has always existed in its fully mature form across a self-perpetuating arena landscape, there is an eternal sameness even as there is an endlessly changing energy density at every point in space. The limits and thresholds and the natural laws make it a universe that could be no other way.

[Bogie]

Lol, and Austin I find my mind is not ready to engage your recent poetic posts at this time. I propose a code between us where when I have read your posts I will click the "thank you" link so you will at least know I have read them. I usually enjoy them but they make me engage my mental equipment which itself is of questionable capacity.

[Bogie]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here Bogie and to be fair I should give you some additional information to consider. You state….

“The implication I get from Haisch is that he is making a gesture toward the reconciliation of science and the Bible. To that extend I see it as a reasonable gesture though a bit too selective for my taste……”Quote by Bogie.


Actually Haisch deeply questioned the Bible creation story because it contradicted itself by saying “let there be light” and yet the sun and moon were not created until the 4th day.
To a scientist this was deeply questionable.
Haisch said as this kind of stayed in the back of his mind he much later while browsing in a bookstore found a small book called “The Other Bible.”

This book is a collection of ancient scriptures known as pseudepigrapha which are Biblical like texts that were not incorporated into the cannonical Old Testament and which as texts never made it into the Bible as we know it.

Upon reading a passage in this book called The Haggadah Haisch read, “The light created at the very beginning is not the same as the light emitted by the Sun, the Moon and the stars which appeared only on the 4th day.”
This statement is why Haisch said that the words, “Let there be light” may express more than a poetic mythology.

In light of this do you feel like your Quantum Wave would have anything to do with this first field of light??




Regards Mikal

Thank you for clearing up that misunderstanding and I did sense that coming from you that Haisch would be a more contemplative type but I was just taking it one step at a time .

The quantum wave has always existed and in that sense could be called the eternal field of energy; there has always been "light".

I am saving my QWC philosophy for later because the philosophy is derived from the cosmology and I'm not done offering the details. And I want to give the community time to shape the cosmology if they find it unbearable in its current form. They could ultimately change the philosophy that I derive from the evolved version of QWC.

[Mikal]

Thanks Bogie...your first statement aligns with Haisch and I have just been trying to validate more or less his scientific thoughts in the book with others speaking about the quantum wave.

I do thank you for speaking in such a concise clear way that gives clarity. Those of us not scientifically minded rather appreciate that.

I will keep following and I would be interested in your orginal QWC philosophy where if those original pre-occupations have had to change that you would note this.

I will keep looking for similarites to Haisch as its quite a remarkable book evidently from the mind of a deeply inquisitive scientist who makes it clear that in his view science has steered itself down a wrong road on its premses of materialism, reductionism and randomness.


Thanks Mikal

[Bogie]

Thanks Bogie...your first statement aligns with Haisch and I have just been trying to validate more or less his scientific thoughts in the book with others speaking about the quantum wave.

I do thank you for speaking in such a concise clear way that gives clarity. Those of us not scientifically minded rather appreciate that.

I will keep following and I would be interested in your orginal QWC philosophy where if those original pre-occupations have had to change that you would note this.

I will keep looking for similarites to Haisch as its quite a remarkable book evidently from the mind of a deeply inquisitive scientist who makes it clear that in his view science has steered itself down a wrong road on its premses of materialism, reductionism and randomness.


Thanks Mikal

You make a good point about seeing the current version of QWC philosophy vs. what it evolves into over time. I've noticed myself using the terms of the boiled down philosophy in my recent posts and so I guess it is not too early to offer the current version. By way of introduction to the philosophy I will say that I have put it into a 100 word capsual which may be gibberish to most but to me it is a very condensed economy of words that could easily be discussed in thousands of words.

Take a look:

The philosophy of Quantum Wave Cosmology is that the universe is an eternal sameness of endlessly changing energy density across infinite and infinitesimal space and time where limits and thresholds govern processes that assure the perpetual existence of intelligent contemplative individuals among which are those who suspect and seek confirmation of an eternal transcendent immanence* through faith and trust that acknowledgment can be abundantly received and through which individual purpose can emerge from humble contemplation and meditation on the nature of being done with the conviction that the universe is as it should be and could be no other way.

*A universal and eternal sum of all energy that manifests in all aspects of the physical universe and transcends to the realm of self-aware and ever changing energy density that perpetually occupies all space and that maintains one connected conscious eternal presence in nature from which individuals can seek acknowledgment and with which they can seek oneness.

[Bogie]

Energy: the infinitely fine commodity of which the universe is composed; cannot be created or destroyed; infinite, infinitesimal, and eternal; occupies all space; each point in space has energy density; the energy density at each point in space is continually fluctuating.

This is the very abreviated definition of energy in QWC. I'll expand on this definition but didn't want to make it so long that no one would read it .

[Mikal]

Excellent Bogie...thanks so much for sharing this and from what I can see you and Haisch are sharing and expressing a quite similar spiritual world view that makes sense of both the universe and us as creations...


Your comments on energy very interesting because you see in the experience of my NDE it was shared with me..."you are energy"...the after affects of remembering and realizing those words took me on a search for meaning that has not stopped and seems endless....my reaction was marked with..."what a strange thing to relate to me.."

Thanks Mikal

[melanie]

I do thank you for speaking in such a concise clear way that gives clarity. Those of us not scientifically minded rather appreciate that.

Hi Mikal.

I was just thinking after i read your comment, how the ancient scared texts of old, now new again, how they were difficult to decipher, and only the eyes that see, and the ears that could hear, understand them.

Well, i thinks it's the same with all this scientific jargon, it's a religion too, and only those with eyes that see and ears that hear will understand them ... lol

My point is Mikal, it's all God playing hide and seek with it's elf.

[Mikal]

Hi Mel...as to difficulty to decipher the ancient texts, you reminded me of this quote...

"The psyche comes into life through symbols and images"....that is high abstract information only for the eyes of the spirit.
(The Gospel of Philip)

Now turning this back to Bogie for his continuing dialogue...smiles...


Regards Mikal