Quantum Wave Cosmology is my TOE :)

[austintorn@aol.com]

Knowing any-thing is what creates a knower. A centre in which the knowing is apparently housed.

The 'knower' cannot know that there is no knower .. to know that .. would need a knower.

Hi Mel and me. Well, what do you know!

There is only the knowing .. The knower and the known emerge from within the split mind.

They are conceptual overlays .. the dream of separation.

I see that you know something.

The Knowingness,and the I-am-ness are opposite sides of the same coin.

they are antithetical,and can never become each other or even see each other....and yet, they are the same.

I have really flipped—as a coin!

Any talk of a doughnut hole .. has to be about the doughnut....

You can eat the holes; I'll eat the doughnut.

'You' are the known, and the known cannot know, for one very good reason....

Yes, we are all becoming quite well known.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

"He who looks outside, dreams; he who looks inside, awakens."
Carl Jung

"And__The one who does not look in all three places at once, is a fool..." The Modal Triadic Pre-Supposionalist...

"Know all your pre-suppositionalist positions..." The Triadic Seer...

"Heart, Mind and Action..."

[melanie]

I see that you know something.

'' I see that you know something '' - implies two Austin.

There is only the KNOWN ... One without a second.

Who this knower is, is unknown, yet clearly known.

Neti Neti...

[melanie]

You can eat the holes; I'll eat the doughnut.

Your too funny austin....



D'oh!

[labelwench]

"And__The one who does not look in all three places at once, is a fool..." The Modal Triadic Pre-Supposionalist...

"Know all your pre-suppositionalist positions..." The Triadic Seer...

"Heart, Mind and Action..."

From where, comes the heartbeat?

And when, starts the brainwave?

Then why, all this action?

Though we look, we still do not know.....

Does not knowing make us fools?

Or not looking......?

[melanie]

Of course.

When one is but a part of a greater whole, one does not have the vantage point to view oneself within the broader structure.

One can sense, and perhaps visualize what such structure and one's place may appear as, yet there can be no such measurable proof or test.

The entity's totality is experiential. It emerges into imaginary existence within the gulf between subject and object.

It can never see itself simply because it exists only as an idea.

Even the gulf is an imaginary gulf.

And of course imaginary things only suffer imaginary death.

On with life...........

[Lloyd Gillespie]

From where, comes the heartbeat?

And when, starts the brainwave?

Then why, all this action?

Though we look, we still do not know.....

Does not knowing make us fools?

Or not looking......?

One must see, to know...

In order to see, one must look...

Action should only be, after seeing and knowing...

Feeling and knowing, with the heart and mind__together__is seeing...

[austintorn@aol.com]

Everything, all that goes on, all that lies between the beginning and the end, is explained here, in Prof's thread:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...tml#post114780

[labelwench]

The entity's totality is experiential. It emerges into imaginary existence within the gulf between subject and object.

It can never see itself simply because it exists only as an idea.

Even the gulf is an imaginary gulf.

And of course imaginary things only suffer imaginary death.

On with life...........

Thank you.

I shall try to explain that to all of the people in my imaginary existence who have just experienced deep personal loss.

But not just this moment.....

Neither they, or I are quite ready to accept that none of the experience 'exists'.

Can't quite go there.......

Maybe after I 'ping off'.....?

[melanie]

Thank you.

I shall try to explain that to all of the people in my imaginary existence who have just experienced deep personal loss.

But not just this moment.....

Neither they, or I are quite ready to accept that none of the experience 'exists'.

Can't quite go there.......

Maybe after I 'ping off'.....?

When one knows / understands ''metaphysics''
there is the realisation for noone, that there is no-one to experience deep personal loss, for that would require an 'experiencer'

THIS is the ''EXPERIENCING'' for noone.

Can't have life without death and visa versa can't have pain without pleasure.
- it's just that we prefer some parts of the dream more than the others.

You speak of personal loss (the misery self) lose the misery self, and that is the peace that passes all understanding.

There is no-self, there is only sensation, feelings, emotion.

It's hard to die, except, noone dies, who & what dies??

Nothing personal...

Try studying the author of the story, rather than the story.



Why did the chicken cross the road?





'' It depends on the chicken's frame of reference as to whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken. ''
~ Uncle Einstein.