Quantum Wave Cosmology is my TOE :)

[Bogie]

Having been keeping busy with grassroots politics and I haven’t had much time to philosophize but I did want to weigh in with some thinking that comes to mind while working for those who share my political principles. Much of what we chat about on this thread goes beyond what science can quantify, and much of what I philosophize about is strictly opinion, speculation, and as such is unquantifiable. And yet I take it seriously enough to mentally exercise the concept of acknowledgement from the boundary.

There isn’t really any sense over-emphasizing my mental exercises so for the time being I will simply say I am seeking acknowledgement from beyond the boundary of known science and I have the hope that there will be some clue about the natural source of what to me appears to be non-algorithmic.


One such acknowledegment that I set out seeking awhile back was for success in this political season for what I call the American center right view because I believe it is the best foundation for the future for the next generation. It looks like I well get the desired election outcome and that gives me more hope for the future of out country.

I'll be seeking other acknowledgements and I am well aware that the desired outcome is in no way any evidence that there really is such a thing as acknowledgement from the boundary .

[labelwench]

Having been keeping busy with grassroots politics and I haven’t had much time to philosophize but I did want to weigh in with some thinking that comes to mind while working for those who share my political principles. Much of what we chat about on this thread goes beyond what science can quantify, and much of what I philosophize about is strictly opinion, speculation, and as such is unquantifiable. And yet I take it seriously enough to mentally exercise the concept of acknowledgement from the boundary.

There isn’t really any sense over-emphasizing my mental exercises so for the time being I will simply say I am seeking acknowledgement from beyond the boundary of known science and I have the hope that there will be some clue about the natural source of what to me appears to be non-algorithmic.


One such acknowledegment that I set out seeking awhile back was for success in this political season for what I call the American center right view because I believe it is the best foundation for the future for the next generation. It looks like I well get the desired election outcome and that gives me more hope for the future of out country.

I'll be seeking other acknowledgements and I am well aware that the desired outcome is in no way any evidence that there really is such a thing as acknowledgement from the boundary .

And so......without delving deeply into the matter of politics, was the outcome of the elections to your liking?

http://www.canadaeast.com/rss/article/1291447

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-movement.html

Acknowledgement from the boundary.....History has demonstrated that whenever people chart a course and pursue it with vigor and purpose, new ideas and opportunities are forthcoming.

As we are beginning to push against a number of historical barriers and challenges simultaneously, we are poised on a threshold of change, whereby a major shift will be needed to chart a positive direction for the future. Successful mechanisms from the past may not be sufficient to carry us through.

GDP numbers, trade surplus figures, retirement income, health care.........all will be meaningless if the planet cannot produce and sustain enough clean air, fresh water, and nourishing food.

Literally and figuratively, it may well be time that we all contemplate revisiting our 'grass roots', and it is going to take some innovative thinking beyond known science and current political science to find the solutions needed, IMO.

[Bogie]

And so......without delving deeply into the matter of politics, was the outcome of the elections to your liking?

Yes.

Acknowledgement from the boundary.....History has demonstrated that whenever people chart a course and pursue it with vigor and purpose, new ideas and opportunities are forthcoming.

As we are beginning to push against a number of historical barriers and challenges simultaneously, we are poised on a threshold of change, whereby a major shift will be needed to chart a positive direction for the future. Successful mechanisms from the past may not be sufficient to carry us through.

GDP numbers, trade surplus figures, retirement income, health care.........all will be meaningless if the planet cannot produce and sustain enough clean air, fresh water, and nourishing food.

Literally and figuratively, it may well be time that we all contemplate revisiting our 'grass roots', and it is going to take some innovative thinking beyond known science and current political science to find the solutions needed, IMO.

That's true. There is no direct course to the solutions and there are innumerable opposing forces at work. It is my hope that human nature itself can evolve because that may be the only solution. I am seeking an acknowledgement from the boundary in the form of clear advances in human nature that focus on arriving at factual understanding of the directions we need to go and movement in those directions.

[Bogie]

Sir, how would you sum up QWC for general consumption?

Man: Quantum Wave Cosmology is composed of four parts.

There is what we have established about nature in terms of physics, chemistry and all of the sciences. In QWC those things are considered algorithmic. There is that area of investigation of nature pursued under the scientific method. That is the method used to expand upon our understanding of what is considered algorithmic. There are the speculations and logic that are stimulated by observations that science and hypotheses cannot yet explain. That is the non-algorithmic. And fourth, there is the philosophy of QWC that encompass all of the above and that deals with the expectations that everything non-algorithmic is governed by natural laws that we do not yet understand.

The expectations of QWC are that everything that is non-algorithmic is really just natural. QWC acknowledges that there are unseen forces at work that go beyond our abilities to investigate and understand but that can be discovered by individual searchers through rigorous contemplation. In other words there are natural physical workings in the micro and macro realms beyond our investigative reach that can be perceived, thought out, accepted to the level of simply being the imponderable workings of nature, and applied beneficially to our lives.

Seeking acknowledgement from the boundary is the employment of the expectation that unknown aspects of nature beyond the boundary of science can perceive our mental and physical activity and respond in ways that affect our lives.

The secret of employing this fourth aspect of QWC, the expectations, is somehow embedded in hope and faith that acknowledgement can be received and that the beneficial application of those expectations can be discovered and employed individually.

[labelwench]

QUOTE=Bogie;131219]Sir, how would you sum up QWC for general consumption?

Man: Quantum Wave Cosmology is composed of four parts.

There is what we have established about nature in terms of physics, chemistry and all of the sciences. In QWC those things are considered algorithmic. There is that area of investigation of nature pursued under the scientific method. That is the method used to expand upon our understanding of what is considered algorithmic. There are the speculations and logic that are stimulated by observations that science and hypotheses cannot yet explain. That is the non-algorithmic. And fourth, there is the philosophy of QWC that encompass all of the above and that deals with the expectations that everything non-algorithmic is governed by natural laws that we do not yet understand.

The expectations of QWC are that everything that is non-algorithmic is really just natural. QWC acknowledges that there are unseen forces at work that go beyond our abilities to investigate and understand but that can be discovered by individual searchers through rigorous contemplation. In other words there are natural physical workings in the micro and macro realms beyond our investigative reach that can be perceived, thought out, accepted to the level of simply being the imponderable workings of nature, and applied beneficially to our lives.

This is similar to my thoughts on the matter. We interact with our environment on more than a physical level.

Seeking acknowledgement from the boundary is the employment of the expectation that unknown aspects of nature beyond the boundary of science can perceive our mental and physical activity and respond in ways that affect our lives.

I'm not sure that I would use the words 'can perceive', although there is the theory that the earth is an entire living system at all levels. My thoughts are that the energy system/field of life is entirely neutral to the outcomes and that all living things have free will.

The secret of employing this fourth aspect of QWC, the expectations, is somehow embedded in hope and faith that acknowledgement can be received and that the beneficial application of those expectations can be discovered and employed individually.

Individually and collectively, the power of the human mind is not yet well understood. As power can be used for purposes other than beneficial, it is my hope that this power is not comprehended until our species has evolved further.

[Bogie]

The expectations of QWC are that everything that is non-algorithmic is really just natural. QWC acknowledges that there are unseen forces at work that go beyond our abilities to investigate and understand but that can be discovered by individual searchers through rigorous contemplation. In other words there are natural physical workings in the micro and macro realms beyond our investigative reach that can be perceived, thought out, accepted to the level of simply being the imponderable workings of nature, and applied beneficially to our lives.

This is similar to my thoughts on the matter. We interact with our environment on more than a physical level.

Yes, and that is beyond science and into the realm of expectations that there are unseen forces that can be perceived by us.

I'm not sure that I would use the words 'can perceive', although there is the theory that the earth is an entire living system at all levels. My thoughts are that the energy system/field of life is entirely neutral to the outcomes and that all living things have free will.

Yes, it seems right to expect that contemplative individuals have free will to the full extent of their abilities to think and act. I have gone further by suspecting that there are features of nature that have the same capabilities that we have which would equate to our abilities to perceive unseen forces of nature, i.e. nature can perceive us.

Individually and collectively, the power of the human mind is not yet well understood. As power can be used for purposes other than beneficial, it is my hope that this power is not comprehended until our species has evolved further.

I understand your concern. You point out that there are unselfish motives and selfish motives, and if the unseen forces could be employed by unscrupulous individuals toward selfish motives then they could carelessly or purposefully harm others. You are pondering that it might be best if we wait until human nature has evolved far enough to preclude those harmful selfish applications before we learn to use the unseen forces.

I am hoping and expecting that the nature of the motive to which those forces are applied is a prerequisite to their successful application.

[Bogie]

Individually and collectively, the power of the human mind is not yet well understood. As power can be used for purposes other than beneficial, it is my hope that this power is not comprehended until our species has evolved further.

I want to pick up on the use of the phrase 'individually and collectively'. I do expect that if there is anything thing to the concept of acknowledgement from the boundary, then collective application of expectations would be more powerful than individual expectations.

Would you join me in expecting an acknowledgement from the boundary in the form of clear and apparent factual information about the most important and effective direction to which the collective efforts of mankind can be applied for the benefit of mankind; a single unified focus that we can all contemplate with mutual accord?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I want to pick up on the use of the phrase 'individually and collectively'. I do expect that if there is anything thing to the concept of acknowledgement from the boundary, then collective application of expectations would be more powerful than individual expectations.

Would you join me in expecting an acknowledgement from the boundary in the form of clear and apparent factual information about the most important and effective direction to which the collective efforts of mankind can be applied for the benefit of mankind; a single unified focus that we can all contemplate with mutual accord?

Yeah Bogie, I'll answer that for ya__Strict adherence to 'Rigorous Scientific Method'__There is no other path, as no one can agree on personal measurements__They must be scientifically rigorous...

Let the math and rigorous measurements decide the truth__as human passions fail to ever agree...

'Self-Measurement(guessing/speculation) Fails All Tests of Rigor...'

[Bogie]

Yeah Bogie, I'll answer that for ya__Strict adherence to 'Rigorous Scientific Method'__There is no other path, as no one can agree on personal measurements__They must be scientifically rigorous...

Let the math and rigorous measurements decide the truth__as human passions fail to ever agree...

'Self-Measurement(guessing/speculation) Fails All Tests of Rigor...'

So if I restate that in my own words to test my understanding, you are saying that if there are unseen forces that we cannot yet understand, but that can be applied through expectations of acknowledgement from the boundary beyond science, then the clear and factual information about the direction of the collective efforts of mankind, for the benefit of mankind would be through strict adherence to the rigorous scientific method. Wouldn't that limit the results to what I itemized above as the second part of the four parts of QWC? I assume that the scientific method is alive and well and is being applied appropriately where it can be applied.

The expectations of acknowledgement from the boundary, i.e. the application of unseen forces are for those contemplative individuals who suspect and hope that there are as yet unknown aspects of nature operating in the unobservable micro and macro realms of nature through which acknowledgement can be abundantly received.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Bogie, no matter what guesses and speculations one may have__They be useless to the collective welfare of humanity, unless scientifically testable, measurable and quantifiable by the rigor of the scientific method...

Ghosts have never been found...

Scientific rigor will never find ghosts in the entire Universal System__They don't exist...

Speculation is good for theory building, only if within the bounds of rigorous science, and verifiable by such rigorous scientific method__Only...

Naked(lacking all factual basis) speculation is useless...

Agreement at the collective level can never be reached, except by the scientific method__as self-measure, entirely within the self is un-verifiable__thus useless to rigor...

Rigor only exists by and through the correspondence between the internal worlds of mind, and the external worlds of physical realities__i.e., testable/verifiable experiments__fully matching our mental pictures...

So if I restate that in my own words to test my understanding, you are saying that if there are unseen forces that we cannot yet understand, but that can be applied through expectations of acknowledgement from the boundary beyond science, then the clear and factual information about the direction of the collective efforts of mankind, for the benefit of mankind would be through strict adherence to the rigorous scientific method. Wouldn't that limit the results to what I itemized above as the second part of the four parts of QWC? I assume that the scientific method is alive and well and is being applied appropriately where it can be applied.

The expectations of acknowledgement from the boundary, i.e. the application of unseen forces are for those contemplative individuals who suspect and hope that there are as yet unknown aspects of nature operating in the unobservable micro and macro realms of nature through which acknowledgement can be abundantly received.