"Potential of Infinity for Eternity"

[PoPpAScience]

There has only ever been "One Thing", and that is "Infinity for Eternity". This "Infinity for Eternity" is, because of "Potential". "Potential", is the Great Void to some, and the Great God to many, but is the Great Why to me. "Potential" is the Great Why, there is "Infinity for Eternity".

"Infinity" is the Thing, that gives Substance to Reality. "Eternity" is the Being, that gives Continuation to Reality. "Potential" is the Life, that gives Purpose, to Reality.

"Infinity" has no boundaries, for it is "One Thing". "Infinity" can be Attenuated or Compressed infinitely, but never separated. "Infinity" can be visualized as a "Fog of Shine" without any individual separations. Compressed it can be visualized as Light, Attenuated it can be visualized as Darkness. "Infinity" is only Relative to the Viewer through the Concept of Space.

"Eternity" has no Beginning or End, it just "Is". "Eternity" is only Relative to the Viewer through the concept of Time.

The "Potential" of "Infinity for Eternity" was Realized in the Birth of "Motion". This Birth within "Infinity for Eternity" of "Motion" is visualized today as the Action of "Evolution".

[PoPpAScience]

I wrote and posted this thread in a hour because of shortness of time for me right now. I just needed to post my thoughts here that I feel eliminate the need for the faith based concepts of, "Something from Nothing created the Universe randomly" and "God created the Universe so it can be Glorified". I welcome all questions.

[Bogie]

I wrote and posted this thread in a hour because of shortness of time for me right now. I just needed to post my thoughts here that I feel eliminate the need for the faith based concepts of, "Something from Nothing created the Universe randomly" and "God created the Universe so it can be Glorified". I welcome all questions.

No questions. Your are on a path that is familiar to me and if you stay on your own path you will continue to experience the urge to stop and post from time to time. Keep thinking because I believe it can be figured out. The only trouble is that you will not know if you are right. If you are like me it may be satisfaction enough that your logic seems sound and there is the possbility that you could be right.

[Bogie]

I call people intelligent contemplative individuals. The reason for that is to recognize the potential for other intelligent contemplative life forms across potentially infinite space and time. So individuals who contemplate are people-like whether they are here now on Earth or anywhere in the universe, or ever have been. The key to being a person (or person-like) is the ability to contemplate the universe. People do that to greater or lesser degrees and come to conclusions. Contemplation is a common denominator of people and it sets people apart from non-people-like life forms . The conclusions that people come to are potentially of the same value on an individual level so the conclusions are not universally remarkable. We like to talk about our conclusions and share our logic and that is common social behavior making people social animals.

So maybe I should call people intelligent contemplative individual social animals living or dead . I guess that makes being among the living nice but not essential.

[PoPpAScience]

No questions. Your are on a path that is familiar to me and if you stay on your own path you will continue to experience the urge to stop and post from time to time. Keep thinking because I believe it can be figured out. The only trouble is that you will not know if you are right. If you are like me it may be satisfaction enough that your logic seems sound and there is the possbility that you could be right.

Thanks for your first post Bogie. Sorry to say, after reading your thread last night I have moved past where you are contemplating. There is nothing wrong with your path, it just is old news to me. I have moved past the "something in nothing" mind set, like, substance in space, into the realm of "One Thing" only. I do not see anywhere in science where 'Nothing' has ever been discovered. The concept of 'Nothing', is strictly a faith based assumption. Thus your concept of 'space' is old news to me.

P.S. I am enjoying your thread, lots of good conservation there.

[Bogie]

Thanks for your first post Bogie. Sorry to say, after reading your thread last night I have moved past where you are contemplating. There is nothing wrong with your path, it just is old news to me. I have moved past the "something in nothing" mind set, like, substance in space, into the realm of "One Thing" only. I do not see anywhere in science where 'Nothing' has ever been discovered. The concept of 'Nothing', is strictly a faith based assumption. Thus your concept of 'space' is old news to me.

Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding of where you were on the path.

P.S. I have found it to be a winding path .

[PoPpAScience]

Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding of where you were on the path.

P.S. I have found it to be a winding path .

Yes the path is winding, but that is because those that control the way the path is traveled, have preconceived idea's that distort the path. The path I have always tried to travel, is the one with the least distortions.

[melanie]

Yes the path is winding, but that is because those that control the way the path is traveled, have preconceived idea's that distort the path. The path I have always tried to travel, is the one with the least distortions.

Coincidentally, that's the path I've always traveled too.

[SteveA]

Yes the path is winding, but that is because those that control the way the path is traveled, have preconceived idea's that distort the path. The path I have always tried to travel, is the one with the least distortions.

I do agree though maybe another way of looking at it is that time is fundamentally a motion "outward" and one of expansion in all dimensions (which are effectively the properties or qualities of conscious experience).

We're just doing that expansion one thing at a time (which ends upon turning this otherwise boundless and non-descript expanse into a compressed/bent etc. pathway of experience).

So it might be similar to seeing "everything" in terms of one thing at a time ... and the result shows us diversity in time, and yes, the only way to line everything up was to wind our way through it (I do think that there also exists an ability to rewind and at least approximately relive some particularly great curves in the road around ... such an expense would almost certainly include such an ability especially considering we've already come across that idea!)

Consider that the first thing in everything could simply be considered some origin and in effect the source of that ability to move - we might see it as time and oneself and in physics, time is a subjective and observer dependent thing. The second thing would then appear to be vaguely something like a "straight" motion (relative to yourself or that origin, though not in any direction specifically in an objective/external sense) and we could probably assume that third thing was almost certainly not "once again" straight (hey, we already did straight and the universe has much more to show).

So many the very first step away from the origin was a straight line, but since then it appears we have many "approximations" (or we could similarly say that because things are also foundations, things beyond them are measured relative to, or similarly are perceived to inherit those properties from the past and in a sense, specific knowledge of what the past was is also only gained relative to things expanding in the future and so from the point of view of what is known, the past and future both expand relative to each other, relative to what is known at the "center"/now).

Notice that if we had a segment of a time line of experiences and folded it in half, then the center/fold is similar to an interior of an object (consciously known things known at that center "now") with both the past and the future extending off into an unknown. We might find that it could be similarly folded again in half and see this similar to the known boundary of the physical body now and the immediately local environment extending off in two directions toward the unknown physical internals of oneself as well as the unknown physically distant expanses of space.

(As an interesting thought it could be interesting to consider what correlations folding a time line into 3rds might appear as, though I'd assume that every form of such operation is fundamentally itself something encountered on that time line and probably experienced with certain conscious properties such as thoughts or experiences - in which case you might have things like being unable to recursively perform something like a fold without similarly having a recursive property encountered, in which case we could not recursively subdivide recursion without encountering something in time that allows this etc.).

Yes, my thoughts are very abstract but I've been working with similar ideas as yours and trying to develop what forms they take in as precise a manner as I can. The value of arithmetic arises not so much from the symbols themselves or even directly from the concept, but with the precision with which they are applied and held with stable definitions that are not altered. I tend to believe such is similar in life, though it takes a lot of care to be very specific in what aspect of experience one is considering and paying close attention to all the interconnections and their patterns of growth and manners in which they influence each other ... I believe that, in itself, this space of experience should also have a more concrete and potentially rather simple form of growth, though the way it can be reflected as various experienced properties, beliefs, or potentially even thought itself (which appears to be something of a paradox to try to analyze, though we may already possess intuition or emotions that "pass by" or surround logic that could give some clues in that respect).

Here's an interesting consideration - if you had a manner to determine an algorithm that was actually able to describe the patterns of your own beliefs (now what if it said that you didn't believe it?! LOL) ... now that would be (potentially) something about as close to an oracle of truth as I could imagine, though it would be interesting to consider - what if it said something was true or existed, that you did not already believe was true or existed, and then you believed it? In that case it would appear to no longer be true! Maybe we'd need to add an element of uncertainty? Hmmm... what can I say? I admit there are just so many fascinating pathways to explore that yes, it's not easy thing to put down that enjoyment of those explorations ... yet, I still have to pay the bills and keep food on the table, hence I'll have to head off to work (and enjoy savoring something fun for later! Boy, some good music, company, a world waiting to be explored and all the intangible possibilities beyond ... wow. I've got to admit life can be beautiful at times, especially when all the windows are thrown wide open! )

Though, in the meantime, I'll have to pay for a little upkeep as well as an additional expansion for a guest area ... thanks for your post.

[PoPpAScience]

The "Potential of Infinity for Eternity" was Realized into "Motion". "Infinity for Eternity" 'is', because of "Potential". "Potential" is Realized through "Infinity for Eternity" as "Motion". This Realization of "Potential" as "Motion" began at the center of "Infinity for Eternity" on both the 'Macro' and 'Micro' perspectives.