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[cosvis]

Hi Bogie and all,
The concept that the universe is eternal from a physical point of view, but at the same time could be caused or created by a supreme being is difficult to understand. The way I understand it, is that there are different understanding of the meaning of the term "time". Physical time, or ordinary time, is our common understanding of time, past, present and future. eg. I did not exist in the past, I do exist now, I hope to still exist in the future; Einstein's time when an object moves at the speed of light, the time factor is zero, or eternal; and there is eternal time, or time seen from outside ordinary time, eg. the past, present and future, viewed from one point. Thus God or the supreme being, existing in eternal time, acts from eternity and thus his creative act is eternal. Viewed from God's point of view, the universe is eternal, and I believe this is also reflected, in the universe itself. eg. energy, according to Einstein, can not be created or distroyed. Thus, it is possible to say from a physical point of view that the universe is eternal while at the same time, it is possible to say, the universe is caused or created by God.
Yours cosvis.

[Bogie]

Hi Bogie and all,
The concept that the universe is eternal from a physical point of view, but at the same time could be caused or created by a supreme being is difficult to understand. The way I understand it, is that there are different understanding of the meaning of the term "time". Physical time, or ordinary time, is our common understanding of time, past, present and future. eg. I did not exist in the past, I do exist now, I hope to still exist in the future; Einstein's time when an object moves at the speed of light, the time factor is zero, or eternal; and there is eternal time, or time seen from outside ordinary time, eg. the past, present and future, viewed from one point. Thus God or the supreme being, existing in eternal time, acts from eternity and thus his creative act is eternal. Viewed from God's point of view, the universe is eternal, and I believe this is also reflected, in the universe itself. eg. energy, according to Einstein, can not be created or distroyed. Thus, it is possible to say from a physical point of view that the universe is eternal while at the same time, it is possible to say, the universe is caused or created by God.
Yours cosvis.

The way I would interpret that and I could be completely off, is that before the beginning of physical time the full extent of the universe consisted of a spiritual God which would have existed in a non physical but eternal circumstance referred to as time factor zero where time existed but did not pass. At the instant that God created the physical universe it marked the end of time factor zero because as soon as the physical universe existed physical time began to pass.

My comment would be that such a scenario might be interpreted as an attempt to avoid simply saying that the physical universe has always existed. At the same time it establishes the stature of God as Creator which has appeal to those who struggle with the eternal existence of the physical universe. I hope I interpret you correctly and thank you for offering that concept for contemplation.

If I have not completely misstated the concept I would comment that to the extent that it establishes God as separate and superior to the physical, it demotes the stature of physical contemplative intelligent life from where I view it. I view the universe and God as one in the same and so contemplative intelligent life has the same stature as God and plays the role of contributing intention and unpredictability to an otherwise deterministic universe of invariant physical laws.

[Profpat]

Hi Cosvis and Bogie:

I agree with Bogie, Cosvis, it appears you seperate God from the physical. I know you are Catholic, Cosvis, and I'm sure have received Holy Communion. There the priest, while giving you the Eucharist, says "Body of Christ" (God) to which you respond Amen. In other words, God is also physical.

I believe the Trinity of God is Mind (Father), Body (Son) and Spirit (Holy Spirit), All combined into ONE GOD.

My belief is that when I go to bed at night I lay on God. When I eat, I eat of God. When I drink, I drink of God. Too me God is the physical universe and More. Things, No-Thing, and beyond Things. In that outlook there is no limitation to God, He too me is also a Very Personal Loving God.

Two of Einsteins more favorite quotes is :

"Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one"
"I want to know God's thoughts, the rest are details"

Best,

Pat

[vacuum-mechanics]

Dear austintorn@aol.com and friends,

Someone may ask – do I believe in mainstream physicists? The answer is I believe in what they believed, but I do not believe in the way they do (to find TOE)! For my opinion, they are too hurrying to get it without considering whether their tools are complete enough to use for the job.

Mainstream physicists are so confident in relativity and quantum theories (tools) while they still can not answer some crucial problems of the theories. Indeed if they come back to reconsidering the tools, then they will get the correct solution!

Sincerely,
Nimit
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Dear austintorn@aol.com and friends,

Again, someone may ask further – how to complete both relativity and quantum theories? In short we may summarize as follow. First we could see that both relativity and quantum theories are used to explain the involved phenomena in our world; while relativity is responsible the world in large scale, quantum theory is responsible the world in small scale.

Now, the problem is that while both theories are used to explain the involved phenomena in the same world, their concept of vacuum space is different. While relativity said that of vacuum space is empty, in contrast quantum theory said vacuum space is full with infinite energy! Then now the problem changes to – how to get the same vacuum space in both theories?

Next, we will show how to merge the two extreme differences (concept of vacuum space) between the two theories by improving them, please follow.

Sincerely,
Nimit
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[vacuum-mechanics]

Dear austintorn@aol.com and friends,

Again, someone may ask further – how to complete both relativity and quantum theories? In short we may summarize as follow. First we could see that both relativity and quantum theories are used to explain the involved phenomena in our world; while relativity is responsible the world in large scale, quantum theory is responsible the world in small scale.

Now, the problem is that while both theories are used to explain the involved phenomena in the same world, their concept of vacuum space is different. While relativity said that of vacuum space is empty, in contrast quantum theory said vacuum space is full with infinite energy! Then now the problem changes to – how to get the same vacuum space in both theories?

Next, we will show how to merge the two extreme differences (concept of vacuum space) between the two theories by improving them, please follow.

Sincerely,
Nimit
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www.vacuum-mechanics.com .

Dear austintorn@aol.com and friends,

Before improving the two theories, we have to look at their serious weak points as the clue. And everyone who familiar with both theories would know that both of them were subject to the crucial philosophic problem, i.e. the mechanism which explain how the theory work!

Let us first see an example problem of (special) relativity which says that a moving object’s mass is increased as its speed is increased, but there is no explanation why and how it is! Another example in (general) relativity is that space-time could be curved; the problem is how empty space (without anything) is curved?

For quantum mechanics, an example is the problem of particle-wave duality concept which could not be explained how and why particle such as electron can manifest as both particle and wave? Another famous problem is the wave collapse interpretation which was used to explain how electron particles could dividein two parts in order to pass two slits simultaneously, and then combine back to the single particle!

From the mentioned problems, we got the clue that both the two theories lack of the mechanism which explain how the theory work! And to do the job, we must have some common physical thing that could provide the mechanism for both the two theories. Also it should involve with the same vacuum space for both theories which was mentioned early. In the next post we will see what could be the same common physical thing which involve with vacuum space.

Sincerely,
Nimit
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www.vacuum-mechanics.com .

[cosvis]

Hi Bogie and all,
I think you are right, God or the eternal essence is part of total reality but there exists different aspects of reality, the spiritual or divine, the rational or logical and the physical. God exists from all eternity before physical time and He in his wisdom and power created all things in time. God's reality is spiritual and it differs from the physical reality like a "watch" from its "maker". Like the physical reality has its own principles and objective investigations of physical reality, so the spiritual or personal reality has its own principles like the virtues of faith, hope, trust, goodness, forgiveness and love. Its object of investigation of reality is not so much the physical reality but the spiritual which would include revelations both natural and supernatural. I think it is important, when it comes to view total reality, that we make the distinction between the different phases of reality or we can easily be confused.
Yours cosvis.

[cosvis]

HI Profpat and all,
I agree with you Profpat to the degree that God's power and wisdom and creative hand is everywhere and to that extend we live and exist in God. However, God's divine essence or nature is distinct from our finite human nature. God is pure spirit and thus pure goodness, truth and love; his power and wisdom are infinite. He existed from eternity to eternity. Thus, in his infinite wisdom and power he created us in his own image and gave us a spiritual nature by which means we can come to know and to love him. He promises us eternal life if we remain faithful to him. He revealed himself and eternal truth, in the past, and is still revealing himself to humankind today as the Bible says, "the heavens proclaim the goodness of the Lord". Because humankind left the ways of God, God sent his only son, Jesus, in order to return us to God. He set up the Church, to be a means of reconciliation and a means of proclamation of his love and goodness to humanity. In order to accept these truth, one needs the supernatural gift of faith, which I believe can only be received through prayers to God, the loving and eterrnal Father.
Yours Cosvis.

[cosvis]

Hi Nimit and all.
I just like to share some ideas on how one could possibly understand the differences between the relativity theory with the quantum theory. My understanding of the relativity theory is that it deals with physical reality that exists in Einstein's fourth dimension, space and time. However, the quantum theory deals with physical reality that is in another dimension, which might be called the fifth dimension of physical reality. The quantum state is pure energy, or electro magnetic radiations, photons that move with the constant speed of light and is gravitationally affected by matter; it consists of two equal but opposite, constant forces, one kinetical and the other gravitational. Since the quantum particle moves at the speed of light, according to Einstein's theory, its time factor is zero, and thus could not exist in the fourth-time dimension. Since the quantum particle exists in its unique dimension it will affect physical reality differently. The differences is similar to the differences that exists between the first dimensional, the second, and the third dimensional state. May be the relativity and quantum theories can not be combined but must be viewed from different dimensional aspects.
Yours cosvis.

[austintorn@aol.com]

…it consists of two equal but opposite, constant forces, one kinetical and the other gravitational. — Covis

So, then, the opposite energies cancel out?

[cosvis]

Hi Austin and all,
The two equal, conserved and opposite forces or energies in a quantum particle balance each other and create an equilibrium that gives stability to the quantum particle. It is similar to the two equal but opposite forces acting on the moon that gives stability and makes the moon rotate around the earth. The moon while moving around the earth still has potential gravitational and kinetic energies while it is in a state of equilibrium. The two equal and opposite forces or energies in a quantum particle makes it constantly move at the speed of light and it is constantly attracted to other particles at a constant force. This, to my understanding makes the quantum particle the most stable particle in the universe. If you add the formula of the kinetic and gravitational forces, one gets the formulum of the radius of a black hole. Therefore, I believe, the quantum particle is in itself a mini black hole moving constantly at the speed of light. Since it can not lose any energy, it cannot lose its speed, and also it must exists in its own dimension, different from Einstein's fourth dimension, because it moves constantly at the speed of light where the time factor becomes zero according to Einstein's own prediction. Since the quantum particle has its own dimension it will have its own effect on matter which is different from the effect of other particles that do not move at the speed of light. My understanding is that quanta particles that make up photons are the only particles that can move at the speed of light. The effect of quanta particles on other matter is that it gives it both an increase in kinetical and gravitational energies as predicted by Einstein's theory, eg. the effect of light on electrons in an atom.
Yours cosvis.