time particle hypothesis

[nathhald]

Pl go through my hypothesis on time particle.
Nathhald

[Bogie]

Pl go through my hypothesis on time particle.
Nathhald

Welcome, and thank you for finally getting this thread going . In my view, any cosmology of the universe should be able to deal with the "beginning" and make a case for either "God did it", "It came from nothing", "It has always existed", or other. So when I looked at the Time Particle Hypothesis I first searched out how it deals with the beginning. I quote:

5. It came out with the birth of the universe. 6. Before that it was in latent state with the unique controlling force of the so called Big Bang.

Should I interpret that to mean that you see the universe as we know it starting with the Big Bang and that time particles were always there but latent in the background until the Big Bang event?

[nathhald]

Thank u for going through the hypothesis. In our finite reasoning the endlessness means absurd. Nothingness is something which we cannot grasp with our brain system at present level.We always search for beginnings. Have we thought what we see everyday has no beginning as everything was always there.To an individual observer The Absolute is nothing but a proposition. I shall describe the various levels of our consciousness very soon. Thank u again.

[Bogie]

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Have we thought what we see everyday has no beginning as everything was always there.To an individual observer The Absolute is nothing but a proposition.

True as far as I can tell. Good points. Maybe it is even likely that there has always been a big old universe out there .

When everything is considered to be made of particle such as force particle, matter particle, life particle we can also consider time also to be made of time particles or 'Hal dons.' Time is made of infinitely small but homogeneous and heterogeneous particles moving in all directions throughout universes, accompanying energy dissipation and accumulation as well.

Those are the opening two sentences of your document and I find it interesting that you make the "time particle" environment sound much like what I would call a universal medium, almost aether-like.

I shall describe the various levels of our consciousness very soon. Thank u again.

Like you say, we always search for beginnings and when you get into consciousness I wouldn't mind knowing your thinking about the beginnings of consciousness along with your view of the various levels. Thank you if you can include that thinking.

[nathhald]

I shall take some time to type out the subject matter.Please bear with me. Regards.

[nathhald]

I am sending my views:
All materially minded thinkers who look upon the objective world as independent of a subjective perceiver, are in the “Bhubarloka” ( a Sanskrit word ---Bhuba means earth & loka means place or state).This world is mundane world.
As we proceed upwards the seer, seeing and seen are all internalized, subjectified and unified. This supreme consciousness is opposed to limited consciousness.
After attainment of this second stage we pass to the third where we ask what lies behind the senses wherein to a great extent the appearance of the external world depends?
We then perceive that the senses do not apprehend objects unless attention in the form of Mind is bestowed upon them (attention to the self). The attainment and habit of this thought is the third ascending stage of earthly consciousness.
We have thus attained certain knowledge of the self. In the first two states, the self either did not appear or seemed to be limited to the body and restricted within its scope. Here the self appears uncontrolled by the physical body, self luminous and overlapping the bounds of the physical senses. When this notion is reached, the fourth stage of consciousness is attained.
The next question is…………… What is the relation of the self, the senses and the object? Are they each independent in their origin the one of the other, or is one the cause of the other two? They cannot be independent of each other, or if there is any relation, it is due to some fourth thing external to the others, which is the basis of their relation and apart from which they cannot be in relation. From the dream state we can establish that self is independent of the other two and has within itself the ground of the causal relation by which it evolves them.
The firm and lasting consciousness which realized this, is the Fifth step in the ascending consciousness. What fully persists is fully real in the ‘self’. The establishment of this experience is the sixth consciousness.
When the entire objective world is viewed lying entirely within the cause the Seventh or Satya (Truth) stage of consciousness is reached.

Another view:
According to the Second Law of Thermodynamics the Entropy of a system that is not isolated may decrease. Physical example is an air conditioner, for example, cools the air in a room, thus reducing the Entropy of the air.
Now, if we look in a different way that is if we, with our mind and body, do not isolate ourselves from the rest of the universe then by Second Law of Thermodynamics we shall have decreased Entropy in the system. In other words, we increase our energy to a maximum. De-isolation of mind and body from the rest of the universe can only be effected or caused by Direct Yoga practice. One has to forget one’s body-mind consciousness by intense practice initially of concentration or meditation and finally of de-concentration reaching a state of oneness with the rest of the universe. The knowledge by identity method automatically comes during practice, thus penetrating the soul of every object in the universe and universes reaching perfectly de-isolated state of being. The energy becomes maximum in terms of Second Law of Thermodynamics and consequently the state is timeless.
If mankind applies the de-isolation practice the net result will decrease the global warming by decreasing the Entropy of the system comprising of billions of individuals.
Good Luck

[nathhald]

I am sending my views:
All materially minded thinkers who look upon the objective world as independent of a subjective perceiver, are in the “Bhubarloka” ( a Sanskrit word ---Bhuba means earth & loka means place or state).This world is mundane world.
As we proceed upwards the seer, seeing and seen are all internalized, subjectified and unified. This supreme consciousness is opposed to limited consciousness.
After attainment of this second stage we pass to the third where we ask what lies behind the senses wherein to a great extent the appearance of the external world depends?
We then perceive that the senses do not apprehend objects unless attention in the form of Mind is bestowed upon them (attention to the self). The attainment and habit of this thought is the third ascending stage of earthly consciousness.
We have thus attained certain knowledge of the self. In the first two states, the self either did not appear or seemed to be limited to the body and restricted within its scope. Here the self appears uncontrolled by the physical body, self luminous and overlapping the bounds of the physical senses. When this notion is reached, the fourth stage of consciousness is attained.
The next question is…………… What is the relation of the self, the senses and the object? Are they each independent in their origin the one of the other, or is one the cause of the other two? They cannot be independent of each other, or if there is any relation, it is due to some fourth thing external to the others, which is the basis of their relation and apart from which they cannot be in relation. From the dream state we can establish that self is independent of the other two and has within itself the ground of the causal relation by which it evolves them.
The firm and lasting consciousness which realized this, is the Fifth step in the ascending consciousness. What fully persists is fully real in the ‘self’. The establishment of this experience is the sixth consciousness.
When the entire objective world is viewed lying entirely within the cause the Seventh or Satya (Truth) stage of consciousness is reached.

Another view:
According to the Second Law of Thermodynamics the Entropy of a system that is not isolated may decrease. Physical example is an air conditioner, for example, cools the air in a room, thus reducing the Entropy of the air.
Now, if we look in a different way that is if we, with our mind and body, do not isolate ourselves from the rest of the universe then by Second Law of Thermodynamics we shall have decreased Entropy in the system. In other words, we increase our energy to a maximum. De-isolation of mind and body from the rest of the universe can only be effected or caused by Direct Yoga practice. One has to forget one’s body-mind consciousness by intense practice initially of concentration or meditation and finally of de-concentration reaching a state of oneness with the rest of the universe. The knowledge by identity method automatically comes during practice, thus penetrating the soul of every object in the universe and universes reaching perfectly de-isolated state of being. The energy becomes maximum in terms of Second Law of Thermodynamics and consequently the state is timeless.
If mankind applies the de-isolation practice the net result will decrease the global warming by decreasing the Entropy of the system comprising of billions of individuals.
Good Luck

[nathhald]

I came back at last

CONSCIOUSNESS

All materially minded thinkers who look upon the objective world as independent of a subjective perceiver, are in the “Bhubarloka” ( a Sanskrit word ---Bhuba means earth & loka means place or state).This world is mundane world.
As we proceed upwards the seer, seeing and seen are all internalized, subjectified and unified. This supreme consciousness is opposed to limited consciousness.
After attainment of this second stage we pass to the third where we ask what lies behind the senses wherein to a great extent the appearance of the external world depends.
We then perceive that the senses do not apprehend objects unless attention in the form of Mind is bestowed upon them (attention to the self). The attainment and habit of this thought is the third ascending stage of earthly consciousness.
We have thus attained certain knowledge of the self. In the first two states, the self either did not appear or seemed to be limited to the body and restricted within its scope. Here the self appears uncontrolled by the physical body, self luminous and overlapping the bounds of the physical senses. When this notion is reached, the fourth stage of consciousness is attained.
The next question is…………… What is the relation of the self, the senses and the object? Are they each independent in their origin the one of the other, or is one the cause of the other two? They cannot be independent of each other, or if there is any relation, it is due to some fourth thing external to the others, which is the basis of their relation and apart from which they cannot be in relation. From the dream state we can establish that self is independent of the other two and has within itself the ground of the causal relation by which it evolves them.
The firm and lasting consciousness which realized this, is the Fifth step in the ascending consciousness. What fully persists is fully real in the ‘self’. The establishment of this experience is the sixth consciousness.
When the entire objective world is viewed lying entirely within the cause the Seventh or Satya (Truth) stage of consciousness is reached.

Welcome, and thank you for finally getting this thread going . In my view, any cosmology of the universe should be able to deal with the "beginning" and make a case for either "God did it", "It came from nothing", "It has always existed", or other. So when I looked at the Time Particle Hypothesis I first searched out how it deals with the beginning. I quote:



Should I interpret that to mean that you see the universe as we know it starting with the Big Bang and that time particles were always there but latent in the background until the Big Bang event?

[nathhald]

There is another thought.That is time of annihilation. I am giving you below:
Proposed Calculation of Time of Annihilation of Form of Matter in Time Dependent Matrix.
PROPOSITION: From R.N.HALDAR, 09038968392
47,GURUPADA HALDAR ROAD, KOLKATA-700026
The forms of matter change with time. The subatomic dissipates to take another form or goes to its original form due to internal and external work done under certain and various forces. I have proposed here that the time of such annihilation is inversely proportional to the total work done by the system or upon the system in 3-dimentional expansion or contraction.
Mathematically, TDEATH ∞ total work done by the system or upon the system in 3-dimentional expansion or contraction
Tdeath = 1/total work done by the system or upon the system in 3-dimentional expansion or contraction
or, Tdeath = K/ WTotal where, K= a constant ; WTOTAL= Total work done by the system
= K/ P x ds where P = Force, and
ds = the displacement in 3-dimentional expansion or contraction
= K/mg.ds where m = mass; g= gravitational force
We get, Tdeath = K/ mg.ds …………………( 1 )
Alternatively,
When, Tdeath = K/ WTotal = K/⅟2(mv2-mu2) =2K/m (v2-u2)……………….(2)
Where, v=final velocity & u=initial velocity
Now the term (v2-u2) can also be expressed as
(v2-u2) =(s2/t2)2-(s1/t1)2 where, s2=final spatial quantity & s1=initial spatial quantity.
=(s22t12-s12t22)/t22.t12 s1 & s2 are expressed in volume.
= μ (say) s2=volume of universe at time t2
s1 = volume of universe at time t1
t1 = time of beginning/birth,
t2 = time at which calculation is derived.
Here we can derive as follows:
When t1 = 0, s1 = 0 then (v2-u2) =∞ and thereby Td =2K/m (v2-u2) = 2K/m ∞ = 0,
So, t1 ≠ 0 It proves the universe was always present and there was no time when universe
was not there. It has no end and no beginning.
We know: t1 = 10-34 sec. Tpresent = 4.6x109x12x30x24x60x60 sec = 1.43 x 1017sec
Again
By putting the value of (v2-u2) in (2) we get, Td = 2K/mμ……………..(3)
Now from eq.1 & eq.3 we get, Td = K/ mg.ds =2K/mμ
Or K/ mg.ds =2K/mμ…………….(4)
Or 1/mg.ds =2/mμ
Or mg.ds =mμ/2
Therefore, a) ds = μ/2g (b) g= μ/2ds
Replacing μ by (s22t12-s12t22)/t22.t12 we get :
• ds =(s22t12-s12t22)/ 2g (t22.t12)
• g = (s22t12-s12t22)/ 2ds (t22.t12)

[Bogie]

Interesting response to the question about a beginning to the universe. You have an organized thought process that defines stages or levels of consciousness that show how the question can be answered correctly at different levels and yet the final answer is unrevealed to me.

Are you saying that time simply passes or are there different real rates of time passing as in special relativity?