The ToE Is The Logical Science of All Thought Possible…

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The ToE Is The Logical Science of All Thought Possible…

The ToE is the logic of thinking about everything possible, impossible and necessary to think__And nothing but this logic of thinking. It’s the science of all logic and thought possible, and this means everything from faith, belief, metaphysics and religion__to math, logic, reason, rationalism, physics and all of science. It’s the thinking of thinking about thinking, the knowledge of knowledge about knowledge, the science of science about science and the wisdom of wisdom about wisdom. It’s not about narrowing any of these ideas__It’s about pure thinking itself, for the sheer entertainment of humanity…

The Universal Theory is Thinking for The Joy of Pure Thinking…

Just think about it for a second, whether you be religious or scientist__you can’t think without using a comparative analysis of logic__due to the fact that when any two or more things/entities/ideas/concepts/abstracts/perceptions or whatever are thought about__no matter who you are__tis impossible not to use logical analogies, comparisons, metaphors or allegories, etc.__which absolutely locks everyone on the face of the Earth into using our pure and natural innate states of primitive logic__Be you spiritualist or rationalist…

It matters not how religious or scientific one may be__everybody is required by nature to use their primitive innate logic… No matter how many models of reality are considered, from ancient mythologies to the most sophisticated measurement sciences__all have unsolved mysteries within them__and when any and or all are compared__there’s plenty of fodder for the mills of argument, debate and dis-agreement__so why not recognize your mind is simply meant to think about every one of the many thousands of models of reality__and try to solve the mysteries that still obviously exist in every single one of all the possible models…

Then, maybe you’ll see there’s really less difference in every model possible to think about__than the differences you mistakenly think are present…

As just one simple example: Morality is the scientific logic of good and evil__Right and wrong… I think everyone would agree it’s sheer evil and wrong to wantonly and joyously kill innocent people at will__and that to help others by showing them how to help themselves is outright good and right… Maybe if we could straighten out our moral foundations, we could right our intellectual minded actions__and I mean by applying our innate scientific logic to our moral actions… We can all simply count what is good and evil__Right and wrong__At least as to the necessary issues, and not the trite__as many will always dis-agree on the trite emotional issues__as women’s defenses against the stronger evil species, can work no other way…

[Graybeard]

The ToE Is The Logical Science of All Thought Possible…

The ToE is the logic of thinking about everything possible, impossible and necessary to think__And nothing but this logic of thinking. It’s the science of all logic and thought possible, and this means everything from faith, belief, metaphysics and religion__to math, logic, reason, rationalism, physics and all of science. It’s the thinking of thinking about thinking, the knowledge of knowledge about knowledge, the science of science about science and the wisdom of wisdom about wisdom. It’s not about narrowing any of these ideas__It’s about pure thinking itself, for the sheer entertainment of humanity…

Good thread starter ...... A TOE must start with a definition. I agree with your definition.

As just one simple example: Morality is the scientific logic of good and evil__Right and wrong… I think everyone would agree it’s sheer evil and wrong to wantonly and joyously kill innocent people at will__and that to help others by showing them how to help themselves is outright good and right… Maybe if we could straighten out our moral foundations, we could right our intellectual minded actions__and I mean by applying our innate scientific logic to our moral actions… We can all simply count what is good and evil__Right and wrong

This one will need discussion, and not just on trite issues .... there are many reasons for serious crime, and I suggest that nothing occurs wantonly unless deranged ... and even thats a reason ?

An unmarked grave in Toowong Cemetery, Brisbane, was recently found to contain the remains of a Confederate Soldier ... and a service was held for him here yesterday

A special dedication ceremony to honour Richard William Curtis and his service in defending the southern states during the American Civil War, spearheaded by James M. Gray, Commander of the William Kenyon Australian Confederates Camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and Dr. Jack Ford, of the American Civil War Round Table of Queensland, Inc. was organized for November 7, 2010; attended by the Curtis descendants and public alike.

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cool bananas ... an look forward to posting here ..... greg

[SteveA]

The Universal Theory is Thinking for The Joy of Pure Thinking…

It would appear nothing more than a self description would be possible (realistically, that may not be entirely possible).

The construction of it could be assumed to be driven by desire and yes, a ToE would likely always be the maximum desired self description.

What else would someone be describing if they were to attempt to describe "everything"? It would be nothing more than their own capabilities to construct such.

[labelwench]

As just one simple example: Morality is the scientific logic of good and evil__Right and wrong… I think everyone would agree it’s sheer evil and wrong to wantonly and joyously kill innocent people at will__and that to help others by showing them how to help themselves is outright good and right… Maybe if we could straighten out our moral foundations, we could right our intellectual minded actions__and I mean by applying our innate scientific logic to our moral actions… We can all simply count what is good and evil__Right and wrong__At least as to the necessary issues, and not the trite__as many will always dis-agree on the trite emotional issues__as women’s defenses against the stronger evil species, can work no other way… Originally posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Your last sentence above has me pondering......

Perhaps I do not perceive the 'stronger evil species' to be either of stronger or evil?

Morality explored as the scientific logic of good and evil.......applying science and logic to the concept of 'good and evil' will be tricky.

Nature does not do 'good and evil', although we might judge the outcomes by these concepts depending upon the impact on ourselves, and we are born of nature.

Promises to be an interesting thread, Lloyd.

I like the way you are thinking in your opening post.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Perhaps I do not perceive the 'stronger evil species' to be either of stronger or evil?

Hi Lorrina... My thinking always goes back to a theorized cave-man days, where I usually assume a far less civilized state of being. Of course, we can't be positive of such, where loneliness may have been a controlling factor on their base emotions, but from all my extensive readings of history, and not allowing women to even be educated for millennia, and the books filled with mens' abuses of others, especially women, I'd assume the male to be the stonger and more evil species__if we simply consider strength and opportunity alone. There's not much history of women raping men, and neither is there a great deal of history of women in power annialating whole other communities, though some queens did so__the numbers are rather low, compared to men. And then, as to today__The prisons are far more full of men, and many of the incarcerated are in for abuses and murders of their spouses or other crimes against women. To me, it seems far more likely that men, having the strength and opportunity, have acted throughout history, at a far higher level of evil than women... That's all I'm basing my statement on. As to women's defenses against the stronger evil species, I as a man have always noticed the leariness of most all women when confronted by a long haired biker with tatoos, especially when alone__to use every trick in the book of emotions to advantage her position against what she may mistakenly take for danger, in the event she is facing such percieved danger__whereas men in the same situation usually haven't the fear and intelligence to do so__They usually just blunder in hoping their good natures to care for them, and quite often end in trouble, with these more dangerous men...

Also, I know as a fact of experience all the emotional, logical and intellectual tricks my wife and her friends have always employed against men they did not take a liking to. I've personally seen them take the bad guys heads with pure sheer will to purposely do so__yet they must be very careful not to do this to those very evil bikers from the bigger cities, as they are well aware of it__and it angers them even more, if they percieve they are being taken advantage of__and then watch out, as the woman has put herself in jeapordy... Not that you haven't lived in an area where these ill actors live, but I do think you'd maybe have had to walk in my footsteps to fully understand what I've actually witnessed__especially with gangs like the Devils Desciples or Iron Horsemen, to see the worst side of men, as the Hell's Angels are civilized in comparison to these lesser wannabes. They all exist and party each summer in our home town of Rockland, Maine... The Devils Desciples are the worst of the stonger evil I've ever witnessed, and they're out of Boston, Mass__and even the cops hands are shaking close to their guns, when these 1% outlaws are in town__Always hopped up on hard drugs and booze...

I also steer clear, unless I have an army with me... I could really tell some stories about these bad actors__and then the bad districts of Boston__or even Lewiston, Maine, where the locals in the stores will tell you to get outta that particular section of the city, if it's after hours__and they're being kind to you, to help save your life...

These bad actors were not women__as a matter of fact, all my life I've only witnessed one stabbing incident of a woman on another woman, and that was in Myrtle Beach, S.C., in 2002 in front of my motel room... I locked the door and went to bed, as it was a bad district__and I wanted no part of it...

So, all in all, my experience shows an overwhelming stronger and more evil side to the male species... There are men I fear__There are no women I fear__unless she has a gun pointed at me...

Morality explored as the scientific logic of good and evil.......applying science and logic to the concept of 'good and evil' will be tricky.

If you may have noticed, the key word in that paragraph was bolded as count... That morality which can not be compared by count, can not be analyzed, but most all actions can be compared by the count system of ratings from good to bad, to worse... Johann Herbart(LINK) showed how most could be logically mathematized, back in the 1800's__It's just most are not aware of this amazing educator... The Wiki article doesn't represent his ideas very well, but he truly was an amazing logician of esthetics, or the Scientific Logic of Morality, in his full life's works__His books, in English, are available at Google Books... He is studied by most all the great aestheticians, logicians and educators__as he's considered the founding father of pedagogy(education of teaching how to teach...LINK...)

Nature does not do 'good and evil', although we might judge the outcomes by these concepts depending upon the impact on ourselves, and we are born of nature.

In order for us humans to be judges, and have any form of law to govern civility, we must judge good from evil__It's an absolute necessity, and we are Nature, so Nature does judge good from evil... I could throw in about twenty or thirty quotes, I've collected through the years here, but I'll just give a few...

`Ethics cannot be taught by an unethical state.' L.J.G.
`We judge intelligence from what we like and dislike and not what they know.' A.
`Obviously a mans judgment cannot be better than the information on which he has based it.' Sulzberger
`Every law is an evil for every law is an infraction of liberty.' J. Bentham
`Law must be governed to the child's mind or there is no just law.' L.J.G.
`You can't legislate morality; We legislate little else.' Bork
`Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness.' A.
`Most all law is legislated morality.' Bork
`The constitution is the soul of one's morality.' L.J.G.
`The state is the determined morality of everyone's soul in the state.' L.J.G.
`Laws should be constructed so as to leave as little as possible to the decision of those who judge.' Aristotle
`Justice - The preservation of human dignity over sterile doctrine.' A.
`Virtue Can Not Live By Ethics Alone.' L.J.G.
`Let none be like any other; But let each be like the highest.' Goethe
`The foundation of all knowledge is in the senses.' A

Didn't mean to throw in so many__got carried away...

Promises to be qan an interesting thread, Lloyd.

I like the way you are thinking in your opening post.

Thanks Lorrina...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

It would appear nothing more than a self description would be possible (realistically, that may not be entirely possible).

You seem to have missed the gist of the opening post Steve. There are two clear premises of personal action represented__The Sciences of Thought, and The Emotions of Thought__The first is governed by the laws of 'Logical Non-Contradiction', and the second is un-governed except by our free will choice of personally applied action__Or 'Contradiction'__If we so choose... These two opposing forces build all our realities and constructs of... Non-Contradiction, taken to its limits, can only go so deep into the Contradictions__Then we strike the yet unsolved Mysteries... Yet, Logical Non-Contradiction rules the majority of all World and Universal actions__The Logical Science of All Thought Possible... Never forget, Science can also do its studies of the unknown mysteries, especially as a comparative count, to their importance or priority of control or non-control, over the mysteries and contradictions__By the simple Non-Contradictions of Logic__Applied...

The construction of it could be assumed to be driven by desire and yes, a ToE would likely always be the maximum desired self description.

You seem to forget the greater part of it driven by Logic and the Non-Contradictions of... The deterministic side must always be assessed as well as the non-deterministic...

What else would someone be describing if they were to attempt to describe "everything"? It would be nothing more than their own capabilities to construct such.

Here again, you forget the Logical Non-Contradictions of what is already constructed by geo- and bio-Nature themselves__long before our meek and mere existences__which our far smaller capabilities must correspond to, to abide by the far larger Logical Laws and Realities of The Non-Contradictions of the already Given/Existing...

All thought must be considered Steve__Not just what we choose... We must thoroughly analyze the Emotional Contradictions/Non-Contradictions__Against the Logical Non-Contradictions__To learn the thruths of any ToE... And realize that all logic that contradicts, is invalid logic, i.e., not within science's pervue...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

This one will need discussion, and not just on trite issues .... there are many reasons for serious crime, and I suggest that nothing occurs wantonly unless deranged ... and even thats a reason ?

So Greg; Are you implying there are no mysteries__left to solve...?

Reason knows everything...???

Or whot...???

My experience with culture shows derangement to be a sheer joy to a few, and that number is not overly small__at least here in the States...

Many of us Yankees and Rebels are a Wild Bunch...

The ToE Is The Logical Science of All Thought Possible…

[MJA]

The definition of TOE for me is simply the truth of everything. It is not every truth but rather a single truth that connects everything or us all. Mathematically there is only One symbol that achieves this simple unity and empirically it is equally, justly, and truly, One or the same.

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MJA

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Everything is not equal Mja__Your idea is a logical contradiction of itself...

According to your idea, the murderer and the lover are equal...

We should invite them both to our best dinners...???

I think not...

[Graybeard]

There are two clear premises of personal action represented__The Sciences of Thought, and The Emotions of Thought
All thought must be considered Steve

I think we could 'reduce' these to 'How ?' and 'Why'. In my opinion there is no 'Why', only 'How'. 'How' is governed by the laws of Physics .... 'Why' is unlimited and there are an infinite number of answers ...

The universe is acausal and contains no 'Why' ..... 'Why' is a result of curiosity, a beneficial selection that drives us to discover new ways to overcome obstacles ....

So Greg; Are you implying there are no mysteries__left to solve...?

No ...... but they must be within the Laws of Physics ??

Reason knows everything...???

Or whot...???

My experience with culture shows derangement to be a sheer joy to a few, and that number is not overly small__at least here in the States...

Well then ... Joy is the motivating force .... ??

When I say 'acausal' I mean that there are always a finite number of possible outcomes from the 'causal' event, and the 'finite' number is limited by the conditions of the 'cause'. Once again. limited by the Laws of Physics.

The Laws of Physics have no emotions, no religion, no mystery ... there is no good, no evil in they're terms. If 'everything' is to be explained by the TOE, then this needs to be understood that 'emotions' are a product of evolution, not a primal cause.

The definition of TOE for me is simply the truth of everything. It is not every truth but rather a single truth that connects everything or us all. Mathematically there is only One symbol that achieves this simple unity and empirically it is equally, justly, and truly, One or the same.

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MJA

Actually I thought this was one of his better ones ......

cool bananas ... greg