[becomingagodo]

schodinger cat
you put a cat in a box seal it form the world ad then you make it
so the cat is either dead or alive.
according to quantum mathematics the cat will be dead and alive in till
some one looks.

simple solution is that gravity stops this. gravity paradox for a observer
outside the box if we replace the cat with something were you can notice
the effect of gravity like a planet then if you make it so it the planet can be in the box or not. the point is that the person outside the box will fill the gravity of the planet or not it impossible for the planet to be i superposition.
so from this any large anoth system of particle will get reduced by this
not by the Copenhagen interpretation and quantum rules would apply
to a small anoth system.
the solutio to the most profound questions in quantum mechanics if you got any problem with this just ask.

[Guille]

Hi beco...(?),

What if two people in different parallel universes look, one sees the cat ded another one sees the cat alive, is it alive or dead?

This question may seem not directly connected to quantum physics, or physics at all, it is a philosphical question, and, I believe, much more transcendential to knowledge than the Shrodinger's cat porblem.

[subversion]

That's a pretty good solution I think. However, doesn't a dead cat weigh the same as a live cat, so long as the box is insulated such that no energy is lost from the cat dying? So then the gravity would be the same whether the cat was dead or alive? Nonetheless, the argument is null I think because the cat itself knows if it's alive or not. If the cat is dead in one parallel universe and alive in another, the the overall status is one of equi-potential

[Guille]

Sub's point at the end has given me a thought. It is stupid to believe that all events happen unless there is a mind/brain there to "choose" one, better said, determine one, because:

1. The minds/brains have not that influence on the physical world as to determine all events,
2. The places where no mind/brain is ever present will continue being in all case events, which is completely ridiculous, and
3. Minds/brains themselves are not viable, it could be that they choose two events at the same time, or different events depending on the moment.

[becomingagodo]

taking it all in the mind

godel show that consiousness cannot form from calcualation so
a brain can not form classically e.g. all of our body relies
on quantum mechaics being true.
so if our bodies can use quatum mechanics like this why
should'nt we be allowed to collaspe reality.
thanks subversion for noticing a flaw. e.g. that gravity can be shielded so at the beginning of time quantum effect would build up to such a extent that this universe would not be possible.
philosphy speaking if the schodinger cat problem is correct then their no need for a big bang because when your born or concious then you will collaspe reality.

p.s. parrale universe theory does not allow entaglment so EPR effect go out the window and copenhegen interpretation is beter.

[Guille]

becomingagodo,

All those derivation seen very very far from reality.

I wonder what is further rom reality: EPR or shrodinger cat?

[dleviwing]

Guille;
I see Bertrand Russell died before his birth.
Was he in the box with the cat?

[mkirkpatrick]

If the cat was unrealized and its owner was too,then both of them would not
be aware that there was a problem and therefore would not be expecting a solution,however if the opposite was evident and that they were both fully
realized then the cat would have said to its companion,"leave it out,will you"



kind regards michael.

[becomingagodo]

EPR is farist from reality then schodinger cat because of the fact that it is proven true and the schodinger cat has not been tested.
the wavefunction in quantum mechanics is farist from our reality
both problem EPR and schodinger cat are both join

if the schodinger cat was done then say their a delay in the time it hits the cat and goes ito your eyes if the quantum superposition was true the when the photon hits the cat it will only choose if it dead or alive intill you see it i.e. it will only collaspe when you have seen it.
i wonder what should are notion of reality so we accept quantum mechanics i.e. so we become a postmodern society in the future.or continue to argue against it. dont you think quantum mechaics is saying somethig amazing about the world why should we abadon it just because it different.
p.s. i heard of classical chaos but where could i find quantum chaos that
would be farist or more close to our reality.

[Mr. Nobody]

The macroscopic parts of the killing machine that are connected to the microscopic particle are preventing, through their quantum noise, the required coherence of the particle. Therefore the machine would never be in a superposition. Decoherence prevents this anomaly of a dead and living cat existing at once.
Furthermore, even if you could magically shield the two parts of the machine to prevent mechanical decoherence, consciousness within the cat will act as the observer, further polluting the virgin coherence state.

I view quantum mechanics the "science of first emergence" of fundamental matter constituents or interaction forces from energy (EMR). Matter enters our reality as a probabilty and undetermined in order to make room for the construction of new systems. These systems are subject to competition and provide via evolution an increase in stable complexity. Without the possibility of probabilities, everything would be pre-determined and complexity could never arise out of simplicity, because their would never be mutations.